Wnivesslty of CahSfarnia General %ibrary/Berksley
Regional Cultural History Proj e o t
COZ&%GB OF ENTlfWOHW~T'EA~~I
DZ$IGN,
UPIVERSITY OF CALIFOIWTA , OAM2US PLANNING,
AND ABCMS!E$@TURAL PRACTICE
Suzarane B1 Risss
Berkeley
1964 

WILLIAM WILSON WURSTER - 1960 

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THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OFARCHITECTS

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GOLD MEDAL 

WILLIAM WILSON WURSTER, FAIA
-AB&,nem-&ctri-re, fmtLci8b in its msp-se t
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nuudc tLccugl bu;ldiyy~
w L L ,ro,+kzd toclay,wrU in t
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L-rso ofarchttural wluca(jn
ArmgItLis v i s i , La&rsLp a d datermi-a&, ~P~~ its scope
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(&a vis-I emviramen+ &us prwiJmg&
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otot
7pe & p r o f e s s d er4-c-Ge- +oday.
th@twenbies-and hla work on ~h.;'
B6~rkalqopngtlq, ha8
braen well, known t a %he U~kvertsZ,w
df' Eali$@Pn$a an& Ota
SshooX a f &rsfaZ.$PaBwe $
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an ar%staad%a& aroliheob, William Wpr~
tpil was exg*aiahcel
En e&~cta$Son
and odat]10is8rat3,6a#,
aml b95Q he gfseaW.
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rntgm &o bst Bean 0% tke Sc;rko@lo
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wnse $orward atags asad@ t k i ~ ~
@an who s;Ir&a@y
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force far good a~ckitwbura
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he w@vked ei@ of
the vital shaping influ&asm t;a$ $he Ua.$v&r@2tp
o f O ~ l i -
f&l+k
on in8sg~&ew
was nBe3sassaary g~tbherk2slsfs~nw81Lsn
sa kh@ VaIversiQytasu28urreL hSs%ory,apecif%@aLly $he
QeL&@ga DasSgn and
of Elnviroarg,@~$ab Crimpus 9lawlng
Cami%tae;and bifehsel C o ~ d m ao f +he ta~@h%
teatare
dspaxB~@nt*-a@qualntsd with eke prodact & ~ T @ U @
h i s
and brought ka &heLibrary the ambit~aDuredepartmentI s
reqaeof that Dam Va~n2erbe %nC@~vi@wrdbefore h i s
beern grssga~inghllm Poa the deanship at Galiif~Yt~ia,
and the fnstitutioa o f suoh an osganizat$on as tiha
CsZ1ege 09 E&viromenta&
E)rsar&@ appears &a $he l ~ g i e a l
co~alusi~n Prom the start ke
o f his work an& study*
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r in2egr@C3a& kia good design with wh&ti was bsts$ ia
$he %anidm
d 12Pe of eal&%ormiae And as ho tswehad
more md more psogle with his work he b$cm@
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d be&$ be dona by the afehitfab* f o r a085ety* A year in
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$ si~ultaneansly,M.T. 'PI, rectamizing Willham W u s a % s ~ ~
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skill in des$g~nof Oh@ house, f~sesawhi&ad49nistra-
eive ab3.I.fties and asked him Co $8 their dean of
architecture; while $her@ he dcva&oped a school in
whiah pXwing e w e irabo iBs own. Then in 1990 ha
w
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a ready Do aecapt the invita$ierr from Berkaley,
eager 130 put i m t ~
practiae his conv,i.cltfone about
envi~omentaldesign, and happy t d be re%urniagt o
$he Bay Area and h i s offtee.
Phes School of Ar@hit@o.f;ure
st Berkeley, when he
same $0 be i t &new dean, was not all that the ~ n l y
sahool in an arahit@@Dural mama night be; i t had
@ornohalf-way thraugh the 20th eeatury wilboub really
parl~king09 a forward-laokiag gbilosopky sf arehi-
tastural %ea~king. f t a pattern was $ha% of $he Beaux
Arts3 whereas its mew dean P e l t that what was needed
not; "a li$tl%
alub with elah rulesr@ f t w
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s Dean
Wwskrr who spoke of Sari Brancieools Palage of the
Legion of Honor, in ibss ~ ~ e e ~ a c u l a ~ ~ ;
sits, as *the
aos0 fnwarbturning bubkding upaa the aost ou$war+
turning s
Pte in Lhe world, This in-furningg in nuah
a surround waq what wanted earreo$iwg at the Uaivsr*
whitsh the b2verrsrtgy awarded hin in dune 1964. Tho
oitatioa $@adin gaPl$t "8s t@ok Bh@ lead in broa8en-
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g and ~nrichingthe Q U ~ ~ P ~ Q U Z ~ ~ and
arohibeotares
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in estabL$~hiarg@losesaisctbbnsllsigs wiCh its &lied
dissiglines. Og% of them raLationsh2ps ernerged the
ColZege of Env$P~mentx%L
De~ign...~ Some of these
mlafiansbiga were stimmed up br Dean Wurs*ar in the
1963-64 announaemant of the coLZegw
Bew problems evok~new enswars md a l l ipst~itu-
Bdona, b n ~ l w d h g
unSaetrsitis@,s
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w t ohanger 60 mrstab $he
challwge of %he n@w, Tn simpler time@ i t was mtough
$0 be adept an onet&own buti be tih8sB
~ ~ O ~ B B J G ~ ~ O I I aom-
glieatsd times 10 beoonas aeemssasy $0 b@ no8 only $he
msOes o f one profession But alsa t o have B r@al
paraep-
tion of other d5solplines in order $0 know haw these may
be %e2regasB@b
with one" o m to grodancm a &mmagiatq~
result. And so iQ 9s wiBk A w B 1 Beacimre, Gity and Resgisnd
BLarmSng, a d h~edsaapsA r ~ h f
teaSurs *. Laah 09 $base
dsparkaenta was..*devslopsd independently. But a11 three
of $fie&, w i %kt their many liis-tfngzmi~he4
graduates naw
s~a%ber&da11 over the world, have played impsrtmt roles
ia on@ of $he gr@a+
revoLutfona @i our Lime, the effort
t o integrate praetii~alnoads vieb saisnce, tti?chnola$y,
andl art in dosfga m
B organiaa$dan of mas-made en-
vbromentjr.*
Ir~h$t@czt;ure
is the saisrbse art' a f btzf lding,
a2ossLg related t o fe~hnalogya6 wall as $0 sooial and
aasGBo%lc disoiplinea. J t provides the $remendous
var$@%y of s.t;xlzs.f;wa~1il
require6 by naodarn manl whicth
a ~ s t
~iault%z&e~usly
watrsiy funcOisna1 and eoonomic
rk!tqu$mg@ats,
sZoag with 3ess OengtbSe a o ~ i a l
and aes-
%hediia'
values. 2%i s the third dimeasion, the basiut
wi.f;
bP $he qfban phy,qloal renvirowen$, qos3aeti~naiaall
too s d l i d a d ps~@a#@~6in a Pap$dXy chrw~gfh$world,
A 8 t h ~
saalet of, bu9ldiag gro;jecd,sIngr~amrs,S
a terars
o f residsatial Lrach, ~ecl~~eloprnsnt civio
sohems,
grogps,.and the kfko, the detwP~nresspga~ibdli
ties of
a m h i t e a t s , 2amdaaapo arctthideet s , m d ai ty glannera
need nore and store esreful oos-rdhnatioa, and training
f o r teanwork is a@wkred. Thus at khe highest leva1
we iknd [all thrasl oonverging in an area o f growing
Qoawrn: urban design. A21 thess prof'easions ars
particularly important today In California, whose arban
population dou'bk@s@VetFyfew daeetdss with a aoncoaitant
n w d for ~ i t y
and regianal planning, for hous~sand
svery c>Bheakdmd ' o f s%z%isB7lire,and for m-ma&e gardanrs
an& park8 t o reglagee Gke .naturalareas thaB have vanished.
$ h o e the threa ps~f~ss%~ns interl%rikedin so
are
m a y wsye, $ 3 9s possible m d apprap~iabet o bxing bhsm
together iaQo a aoman oollege.,,an adminl~trativeunit
which will aehowleQ,@the 9farfm~'e)~
mong the three
professions and a t tho s w e time h01d them joinCly
raspanaibfe for the orderly a d baaukiful devsLopmsnt
a f oue S4aBq.
Certainly D
e
m Uur$tsrts nark i s on ths QoJL6ge of
Envi~ozmental~easl$m, and the ervidsnas of hia trtmendous
aonaern with $hi& @antpus'
8 p l w m i ~
i s fn the Long range
dev@&ag~&@&B Che Berkelep
gEakn a d the ahaaglng Looks s f
Qakpu$+ What he has ventured k a ~
wOrksd, though hs
iul his years on t h i s &ampus. In fa&, a buiSdlrrsg nat
de89gned by h i s bub whiah is namd for hin m y burn out
t o be the mas* controversial piece of arahiteature
assoOia$ed wS$k himL Wurster Ball, the new environ-
mental design bu$ld%ra:g,i s graaenhly a boa@09 aan-
benbien gnashed by faaa3Ay and staden%s* This aakes
%hebuildin& whioh at the smer time testifies is0 the
8UOCssS of Wurster's teachings and h i s hopes for the
0oLlege.
[From "Ths Ice Box, fi The Daily,,
Cali.fo~ni,aq,
May
14, 19641r "The three-diaensional form of the build-
ing doen not pafleet t h ~
design-solutions produtmd by
its students and faouL8$, but rather sglnholiscs the
open-minded leadership the OoLlege presently 5ia taking
In design t~duaotf
on,,.Wursbr Ha21 has the petenaial
$6 ia~sbr
s.l;ilZ sewer soncreg%sin th@ edusaCi~nof the
peapfca m o ~ l
seap8naibSa f o r the shsplng of our envi-
ronment. Where $118 @an rou f b d a College of Bnvf-
roanental Design a@ the hub sf o poQea%ially great
oenter of %he oreabivq arts...? Whare else w i l l you
$and urban planners, ar~hl%etab,
opsrotioas @ng%neers,
coragutor &%:per
Os, m d mathenmtfcians, aSL working
together within the s m e building and for the same
gurpo~e'?
"To ms as a stuaent in thds new aaademia abmosghere,
the fact that Bhe physioal building is a sensually excit-
ing piece ~2 arohiteclure is aeaandary; Ghs thought and
detqrmiaation behind a new era in educatftm cannot be
denfed. ft
fn order ts got down Dean Wur~ter's ~utobiography
and fdsas, eleven $ap@-r~cordfng mee.t;imgswere hQld with
hin betueea April and August 1963, a t i s a when B
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%roubIed with Parkinson's Disease* Pet Be d i d not allow
hiaself t o be I S u t e d by %he diseaso, the Snfierviswa
went an regular17 and pleasatltly, and Saaa Wursterrs
health has sinos great2y $&proved as the remalt o f a~
Q P O X ~ % ~ Q B . The inberview~generallg la~tedPOP an hsnr
and mest %oak plaoe in $he Ar~hiteetareB~Elc32;~g
whese
Dean Wuretex was busy prior $61 h i s retirament as dean.
The Lon&, wood-walled, napan8 gi@8a~~-ooverad,@ale-
men$-windowsd offfee was obviously loved by the dean
--esxOaLnLy the lines and @voa@ tihe BuiZdhg
tions of
w i l l mot be fargotten by graduaDes of the schoolt
Dean Wumter was very much intares$ed S
a the idea
of the RsgionaL Cultural, Rgstosy Pra$ect, and agreeable
t~ giving fhs otory of h i s work on t h i s cei.mpua, After
&he tape8 were Brastscribad gnd edited Par cantinui%y,
he worked with the intsroie~wor'squeries and adaed
tmportanl aabarial whtoh wes Inoorparated %n $he text.
H i s o f f $ e e , $oo, was very obliging in supplying i l l u s -
trahfva naterials*
A@ wall as the Architecture Building, two ~ a h e r
bubldings mk5 up a trio of P ~ E ~ O B S ,
&Ll with aome sim-
ilatity of feeLing, in w h i ~ h
William Wurst~shas worked
and Zed his life. His home, where one interview was
Bsrkslley house, 5ii is the work of John Galen Re#a~d,
as is the, Arohiteoture ~ u i i d i n g ,and i t is the subject
of a cthiapter of the inlorview.
Also ~paafousand ostward-laokfxsg 3s htis San Frw-
ciaao of'iiee, the firm of Wurster, Bernardi & Enmons,
whioh oecufsias $he se4eond floor of an old warehouse
below Telegraph Will, off the Gabarcadars. O
n a visit
there t o see his picture fils and Lour tks offioe I
was struck by the whitewash68 Look af the work area--
Light and Breezy, wide open, there were no olased-aFf
arppzeaa except; those p&rLfCSoned by glass. The number
and vsri~tyof projects being worked on in the office
at that tins, July 1963, wcletxsaored WiZ1Pam Wussterts
belief in nan-@peaial%~ation--private houses, apart-
nenta, the Santa Csuz oollege omgus, the Golden Gats-
way, new bank designs,, Ghirardelli Square, and more.
The offfee braohure appended lists recent work and
gublioalions of the firm and will lead the reader t o
The Regional GuLt~ralHls$or$ Pro3aoQ was e ~ t a b -
lishad t o tap@-reoord autobiographical interviews wi$h
pe3sonw who have been prombnemt in the rooan&histow
of? Northern Oalifornta. The Project i s urrdax the di-
rsctias o f M ~ B .WiSla Baum and mdar the administr~ttve
supervision o f Assistant Librarian Julian Miohel, and
i t fra advised in its work by the Banoroff; Library Bub-
eonmi tBse of the Library Comit h e of the University.
Past interviews by the Proje~twhich may supplement
the University pata arid caversd in this mnuscript
have been done with Stepken C. Pepper and WfSlim Mags,
Othar University his$ory in$erviews, and interviews
with Bay Area artists, photographers, writers, and
persons in mimy areativs fields, are l i s t e d in the
Project's catalogue.
AwguaO 18, 1964
Regional ealtural Mistory Projeot
Room 486 The General, Library
University s f California
Berkeley 4, Caliiarnia
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TABLE OB CONTENTS
STOCKTQM BOYHOOD
OPUGATXON All3 PBEPARATXOW
Sokrosl, sf Arohi,teqture ~446
$IOUIL$Y, ,U1
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Student Life,, t h ~ ,
C~mpus,,.and the Town
T F ~ v o X * C~~leekf,
and a P h f L ~ s ~ p h y
THE O
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EUROPE, 1957, AHP W M E OTIBR ARCMITBCTSt AALTQ,
GROPIUS, L6) CBRBWSTBB, WRZGBT
THE EAST G O A S ~ P@AMBRIDOE ANE3 MASHII!WTON
bha,rriag%alad .St ~ d p
at.Haward
Deata,, School 0f Arohitreefturewd Bltmn$w, M. Z. T.
Govermetnl Service: Parks .,and Plannina. and S tab@
Deaartntenti Ar~hiBs~Lure
Abroad
SCHOOL OF ARCH36TECZTlmE, WITVERST!lY 0
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' GALIBQRf'IA ,
1950-19453 

Prior t o 1950 

The School under Dean Wurster

PLAHlVISG THE UlgIYERSI!E G
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Freation w , d W0r.k sf the Campus Planning Commit tee
plannfna on 0ther Campuses
The Future
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worn
SUM$ TROUGH29 ABOUT ARCHITECTURE 262
1.	Broohu~s,Wurstear, Barnardi and Emons, scrahit;eotrs 284
2, Talk by Lawrsnee Anderson a t Dean Wurster's Retire-
man$ Ceremony, 4 June 1963 308
3 . 	Interview, San Pranciseo Ghr?nials, June 1969 318
4. Citation for LL.D. granted by the Unfversitiy of
California, Berkeley, June 1964 319
5. 	 [ ~ n
original manusoripti deposited in the Bancroft
Library, ~erkeley] Photographs o f8 Yarba Buena Club,
1999; Sohuokl Cannfng Co. Office Building, 1944;
Nelson Nowell House, Garmel, 1948; Centedr for Advanoed
SLudies3 in the Behavioral Soiences, Pala Alto, 1954;
Mason Wells and Frank Hamiltan House, 1962;G0lden
Gateway Redevelopment Project, in prociess. Articles
from Archi taeturab Reoosd, April 1960, WeLlingBon
Henderson residence, 1959; George Pope residenos,
1958, And January 1963, Mr. and Mrs. Jams V,
CoLemn residence; Pirst Unitarian Church, Berkeley;
United Statas Consulate Offiae Building, Hong Kong,
INDEX 

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2. 	S u b j ~ ~ t
Wwe.t;eerr	 Hy $ & % ~ P ' B$a%hm
aame fxaa! South Qemauygr*
Ea
ome aaxoao %he I ~ B h m &
of Pansumti BQ 84~1
Franer%soo,
WJd $0 ~%O&%O&S X'm that S, &SEX'% WOW
more abou* hb.
Biers@t Wh9 ma hfa Wbbsaa? 

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%3ae, Hiler m e w2m C33LPi.~tf
an 'tf&U?l*ta~.
H;B grmuWo%har fzoiao B@s:lU, eaad r
a
h
e owma
€%I?QW~
Cape Born*
And I've &&WWPJ
be%^ very aozxy %ha8'
1
1
8
1 were
newx ~miouamou* $0 &arkm$ &t; Louiee, my
$a$h@r'a rs%@tex,,
who o$ sowPse had a11 %hararefkhe9e
stowed U kezL abau6 th& $in@, before he too had
d3r4,
&Lars% t You didat% kslov yo= gsr%tarkmaSgrandpfxeen4m, %hea?
Wurs.tiers Yea, 3; U e w 113y $21admb%h8xybuL when I slev%n
YBWB ou OIIB txi~a,
Ny mo);heatra eiBe o f the family CT-~ from Ban.gor+
l a b e , ZR 1881n X WE&@ ~ = @ 4W i l X f t Z . ~ BJSl@W
fax
molthelcrre fa%hw, P
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y gmndrnathtsr'@miden name waa
$UB,
P*st, T+IBOR my gmndma%h~r
hagpene8
%g same wtxoa8 %he QG)IU%%P~~
her hueband had dLed
~ n e
dxt;~
axad said3,H W r e wk11 *hire taka ma?*
"10 i3tockton, aenlafo~nia. Ch~aght69373 80
@
%hey ame aoroess on Phe @id41% Ral;tBdl taking the*
awn bUmks4isp a$ eoau?.@e.
8he fovnd GaliLeQrrafla very rough lsaa unc6u8h
atnd moaquiteey @addasty Bhe long, dry mumera.
ran a b o ~ ~ d i w
h~uaeb
a i3~0uic-bon
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m ~ h
longed t o gee b a ~ k50 Bew BngXmdo So fSnally, h
about 1900, ~lhsdid bwk $0 Hew W~glmd,bu% be-
Sore a raaath hait gone by, %other mewered Bhe fmnk
l#tx;trs%errs app5+2# m
e
t mnaZXem than 1C ~~~bmeabflt~ed~
&ad E never
w
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d
i t o go bad&agaipz, X n%ver#rant 450 I@&vb
CaJ.ifo~n3.a. X b o ~ a
ft hexel and LCSJBie here
w;tBhiauB eoaglaLnt.
Hy Da.libe;r fM@he)dstr~hsnl~3urou& rsi&%h
paQ4?a&d$ha he wrtent %Q W U X ~ , h*he w&s & W ~ I
Zntazeste4 An e€tvc&%ional
tUrqe, and fewton Dmxy
here in Unive$a&%y
I#?&meios
srernmberar hew he
Baqked P*enrsi@a $a3
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4 and how mush h
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s had BO do
w&%h Atllrelita BeA,xib&~B%
% Q % B ~
01% %here 80 l#@+bVF@,
Hy $ather help@%
asgmSaa, and mapport the &&enraian
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k 3cm SI3~;ookb0~,
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a tbt Zn 19x4 they had abou-b
3
W gsoglet djtenr3ikq a wa~Ee%g
essieta QP l~e-ea
ant3 BiaeuasPsna Q# Pitaxa%urtb He did give MmesebP
@d%a$cbi3ion,quite olewly,
Ye$ he daered as moh a@ la boy that he did
srsmef- for: me wkish I s an Incrrxlerd2b5+ bUng and
baa to do a gxeat Be& w i * h fibs fund of hawledge
I ge@r~raaati,
(and X &dwaya thou$h%mimybody hati i t
J; rea53Lsed w b ' k h
q
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n
a
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)8 he waa
3.~ e bar& ahnd *Me lrtettulrt ha bad h03fBr;aylir off when
o12tterrs d98at$~ V B -
1 bank holidayrs,
hslf4aya thr
22n8 of Psbmwy, ant! so oa -- and tan saoh s f %ha@@
Vwt@%W8 he WQUL& l
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f %he'60-,
$&k@ $Q
. aea haw &% W Q Z ~ B ~ . 3 wan* tl~)
a n@mtpqm
fhsy woad carol* my &we &na @Lug@blea%*1 went
%@ %he S%OB~K%OB arsa8hg
Z
m
r
i Woxlm md they made
b~aaeto $how ae huw %ha b~~aa.gber
wen%$0 a $bra, %he
any-khdng E atmld me2 have @oughta
y
r
a
(
e
s
Z
f
l --
ZC juut aocamatd a3.Z ia*mre wax@Like thPia ax~l-ktlZ
gaw up*
Uaast Be haad ertogpd s~hoo2
in et@fath@ads. Then where
did hr 8~orfQ
mxatsra H
s
,only had tbss snployexla9 irn M s 11Zie4, a p;LwmB-
Zng fZrm, 8%tzs8H@n
Xxon WQE~B, m d 'he kept book@
3.n tihe Seuj. Joaq'tlin ValLasy Bank, wwoh waer ab~oxb&
br $he dmk of &er?ioeb. He die& &a 193%.
U ~ P J ~ 

t How did he saad yaw m%hm
rncse*, w
d when were $hay
mawzrie&?
b s t e ~ r !
!
b
e
y ae% in S.tjoak%on,w d q
h
l
s
r
y were a a ~ r i o dfra 1894.
oBhcrr people $ h o w ny @oarsinQXo%UdeQrm#@k!y
had aqma $ran Q
a
e
m
a
#
y eLna he ha4 married Ololbilde,
rnw~iadher abt%er PreBexSoka a d had %&ee Efii&d~en
raothw?, who alr@a;dy
had 8ws ah;lSetren &fred stad
r;lau3.rse] m a liben *hey hati a mWal chtJ.4, so f3 W ~ E I
a faL.raily of sXmen ahildrasn and they w e ~ e
atepa, a~ueine~ a~rtof ~ ~ Z a t i o n & i p ,
weay m
a
d if
wag a very happy houseahold axZd we W ~ P @ all vary ctLoae
i n mimy ways. By t2n0h CC-1 mad Grunsky w
a
r
n
%heciBy engina$:x of 8a.n Rrmo$~ooa d oae o f %he
Mar@tBr%xr ierrpt P m w QmsZaomiieosr~oner~
IQ %ha% he a e a -
g%& a vtmy g3;~ea-b
pZm$ %u
%ha anghneering world.
tlllae~ew e rEJ,a@$ 'bload k5.n of mine of erowre a%
all, bu$ ?&9 ~@nnsction$s VW$ cLose beoauae they
waxe a
1 bxo@B ~p $sge%her.
@amoh PQZ"ny f ~ ~ e h e m a .
M w 09 %he U
g
h s@h@@l tes@hex~
had betm in
BB~GQJ.with ~eto%he;r
so B b t I had a armaurkabl@
toaoP1 w&+haha high aekool % W Q ~ Q X B . And a gmaQ
many 02 tllm b ~ ~ a b d
w;tth w amt LQ~SBQ
~ W W ~ C ~ Z - J ,
my ~
c
a
r
t
j
l
t
t
w
'
a
nriatar, a 'beLovad pexsaon Zm Bh8 fa@ly,
She w
m a apineter md rsn a bomdlw houbte, arzd
a ne,n,de~fil
e t o q .,, BiPg fa%h%x
was a very out-
going, generow, w m huunw being er whcm I wan
ashamad of becaaprrre be waa eo Lssk%n@
Znatight-- md
when the .t;eache: in drawing om% to the town to @
$0 my aunens l o live) and @he got on ~.trree%~ax
awd wked where Qa& 9%rebe%i
was, this gatlemw,
eh@ %raid,rerahed fox he2 avitrctariae and took he3 Lo
%he door, Cwo ~ I Q C ~ E I
and said, 't2hia t o the
away,
addr~oteryou csle~.tioaed.'~She wag abdtouded a d be
@aidt~ my ~ w t "'GYho soul&p o a ~ i b l y
bava t~ldl
Sltoutas, 

wh~x43z W
a
f
$ @3h!k# $0 be B%-?"

W?.wtstex
z "Oh, %ha% woaZd be my bxotber," Shs wee tire
$ w e ~i
At, avld eo it W$L181.
1% w
a
a
r a v s q w m , happy hou8ehotd *hat f
QI;resw up fn.
BZer#a t D%& you have bro%hertjm
d @is%@ra?
W
w
a
Q
w
t One arkstex, Eelen, Fonx yewa yoz~n$ea?, And
ahre mmried 011990atd Haybeak, whose Pa%h@x
was a
oousin of .the arohitsof hxnard P ~ y b e ~ k .
Riesat Was your %other artis%io?
W'13~~9%&1:4 NQ. MY ~wn%
Louiacs always sad I: mat have, gotten
my instizlct for % M a from xa;y gat;er~nalpandfa%hez-,
who wae a il~b2:rLa.g~
paIn8er.
R i ~ h l ~ 1 The @@;polls ea,r~&ritge~?
and d@06~&%iV8 W O T ~Q&
Wur@text 	 Tea. And BB- %he drawing teetohesa aLww lAvedl
a% my aut1i3 hourae where POP a v e ~ y
eiaplas house-
laold a
a
y aunt @tarried on really a -- a&on ie much
%oo gr~%entPoua
-- buO %here
always was good Qonh
vsrration a% dinner: and she a,aw %Q Pt fhat iC was
kepf on %hat plans. Rsz firsl boa~dexaae old
U, Pxedwick layer of the California Oolletge of
&
t
i
i
$
l
and Crafts, who just diecd la& yeas, Eet miwried
a S%OOMQ~
wogl~an, 1@%t Stockton, and durn m
a
d
fowded $he Col3ege sf and Cr&Oa hers in
Wwaster~ Brisskeley, A
n
d %hers.
I
&
, #,S, U o s erne fxem PhZla-
de1pU.a and stas;yed with hex mti2 he too left Bhs
t o m . Mr. Rtae taugh-b &
a
- in B$;ocMaaHigh
Sch~sl, He w
w a ghot;ogxapher, too, and used my
sister md me aa nodelta Bo illuetra%epuk%lca%$an~.
iU.eaas 2kks was the Sirst ~ 8 o p
for people irsm the Bwt3
9trw?~%e2t Pee, they ware teatthing in the high o s b o l , 

R5esara8 T wonder why bhsy rilettlsd on 8tFosWon. 

Vnratert Well, Janrssa B
r
a
r
r w
a
a
r a very farnous oi$y aehoal 

aag@rh$enden%
and ddentZy I* Bhe St. Lsaio
3aj.x *- AXi 9904 OE 1905 0- %be Btock-bsn 8oh00lt9
won the aweegatakes.
R ~ B B 	 H
o
w much t h e 83.8 sglend a% your aunh'a?
o	 ~ o u
Wt~~?a.Sezo F
Y
e
3
1
, I qui$re o f 4 a went &own $0 dinner %hears
wbm rngr mother wanted t o go out, I% w
a
r
n a big
$able and a good Labls, and %hex@
were rlL ssrtrs
s f SnterssBing aonvsrscsation@.
R
t
e
e
a
a
r	 50 yau would be baby-aat %haerewhen your mothex wa8
out?
WwsLer a My grandmothax ztlwaye lived w i t h ua, aa it would
wean t b % s h ~
went o u l Boa becstuee normally ah@
would bs the baby-eitter,
had b
d
.
$
l
iAn. 3899 rs; bnuare, 3
a %betO
h
e
m growing xsrax-&hw@at
aes%iono$ %be fawn, and %he @-kyleand the i!o@Won
Qsnne tiumand %ham, They J
u
t
Uppsbraed t o W%ldin
an opportnme, pLaese. Ran *hay built the famn land
wae Jnat ima bXaaks @way.
A
n
t
3 there wsa a when wce had fhs only tiel@-
phone 1r1 the nePgEMbarbud. l?he beaus of the g$rLa
in 4he nei&bozhood would oall our hotzae and I e i t i l l
remsmber q y m
m
o
0
h
e
r going -tie the window and oalling
on%, "&layXian~gr
! You*rewan.I:ed on *he telephonei *
E~ar;lght~]
Wa wepe the food. point 3
.
n the neighbor-
hood w i t h that telephone,
Anmay, 3Daok.Pian w
a
r
a ;lust at the begJsming of
f$o grow%hperiod then -- wbouf 30,000 people and
5% had be- tabout 10,000 when my fa9her w w Ztom I-

and every SWw af%wno-~n wen%$0 ejee ny aunt
we
bouiae, the ~ 1 a B e r
who kapt Ohe boarding house, A
g
r
s
a
L
C many o%hms o m ~ a t i ~ n s
d l atoyped in.
My A
u
n
t Jjo%Bis Gzuxwky lived there +oa and; ah@
was a fmouta ttBa~h%~
in SDooktron; @he %atzghBfourth
6rade for years laad yervrs an8 they named a school
'BB/W~.I+~TO %orher4 Ny saot3ha4r and my sister: and Z a l l had
her f@r
s O e a c h e ~ ~
X sacmber ola8 ~ t o x y
which i8 w a ~
off t o one
sjtde. V
&
e
n X me8 HetLen m d 33il.l Croelr6e;s [ W i l l i a m
Gzactk~r,grandeon of ChwLsa Crsck;s3?]many yeami
in Sam P ~ W ~ ~ B ~ O P I Q ,
B i l l C r o ~ k msaid to me)
~lhph@re
ds yozlz @one Proas?;
"$took-boa," I s&d.
Be staid, HRymother fEtihbbl W. Spemy
Uroakesj cornen aarn SCotzkten,n
tI
I know oh@ does," X oaid, "because my aunt
tau&% h
e
m in school -- bu-t you wouldnlt h o w about
ifa"
Wh, 	 please f e l l ae wha* her naae wae,"
name was Lottie Bmn~ky.
t'
q o t t know h~rl 1 was brought up on the say-,
'You ahildsen can never be well eduoated becaune you
didnlt have Lo%tfs Gmaneky,'" Hps, W,H, Croek~x
remenbexed hear that vividly, atld that wa8 what pu8
me i n toach with the Croakers, and the Yerba &ena
013% in 1937* was really partially a reaul* of this
old Stoakton cormeetion,
WuP~.t;@3?
t 1
4
3
1
1
, when we went down Bo ay a % ~ a t ' ~
an Sunday~
a@ would go by difPera31.t ~~uQesa the
In wdtw %a see
new houwa. BJew h o u ~ e ~ a@, aa
awep fa~eik~a%@& $hey
did my motherr and iathe~. I;y ieielmx never fell under
apfsll. My ~liie*tbr
w941 fnpa1tent ma wa53tetf t o
be w9t;h her f~Penda*eo aha never 382ne6 UB h %he88
walb, But I d28nqt have any f d % # 4 ~ .X waa an
ofZIharrsse emly in the game and was by myarlf a
great deal, acna nr Sather and. taot~haxa d f , evaery
Sunday ti&termson we'd set out mad look at?all Che
housa the% asre being ?mil%fn bht~atidgbborhood. Tt
wa& a pcexfecCly marvel@usr ~ e r i e n o e ,
&a@ t 	 Yoa @ayyou were tan off-hssae? W@senqPyou a kaeal%by
cMlbS
Twaf er: 	 Yea, I was psrfsat'ay lzeal8hy I would s@y, Oh, 1 had
bout@ with 211 health later on in college %ha% pxs-
ven-bed me from going into %he firer%
wo~1dw a r v@ry
aa$fvely and then a bout in ahleago in the thir%ise,
aria i
n %he fiftiats, and the current Parkinaonte
d l ~ e a ~ e r
Illlrses you don't relaember being eiskly aej a ~hild.
hwetllsror . mat it waa -- Z ueed t o Zove Lo read. 1
read, re&, read, ~ e a d
and endaged i% T ~
B axa~b,a@
I eme en bar, Bone Biokene and %hingeLike %hat, Ig
FwsLcart 	 fi;tcally finally decided that 1 was awh an odd on@
$hat I
'
d better go ou'b and make some Prfends.
And X wza~very ~ Q S F ~ wAlf right, ff 1
but 1 8aLd,
must have frimda, Itllhave Chem." [~augh%erxf
So I wen* QU% and faat t o work ewzd joined a n~ighb~x-
hood gang, Abad waa a vary good gang, nicre kids,
and we had time.
a w o ~ ~ r ~ 11% w
a
s
l my parenZ;a
booting na out, as it watxs, %hatreally helped me
there,
Another thing -- in %he earlfr life a% the
University I belonged t~ a fratsrnfty, for whioh
I
'
m vary grateful because t b g further booted me
into reality, T learned how Lo get on wi%h people
and to exgreoe myefelP not too ds~a8ically0 For an
over~ens~%tive to byel t h ~
ahlild ib w
a
r
s very good
edge@blunged just a little b i t , becau~eit really
~ a k e a
%or a s-brongsr person in the end.
aiesnso How about high eohool? Did y ~ u
join in there?
Yvrer9;ero I n~vexdfd any at2ile.f;iosat all. I waa totally
never wanted t o compefs i.n anything, X wlan%edt o
ds $ha bee% I could andex the given conditions; I
didn't w a n t t o bs contraatad w i t h somebody else.
(I even brough0 this through here in $he S~ho01
a$ &QMI~BQ%W~.
Eexa the nos* impoxtan%trUng i
s
e
Oh@ as0vdent, Bia awn gzowth erta~hgear. had when ws
a
m
n
p
m
t
p hba ,drawb!&rw i t h Me o m d r a e g a from
emZSetr he may have gofits %hief a , whezt~aaa very
gif*d nay have gnly gone %ha% fm, %eU,
.t;bier man haas Peaz?atidnore Bhaa the other feblsw.
Bach per%om8e worek hafa az qvsliti1~zLiveva3.w of it@
own. )
YOU Uved alossra, .t;o your elemen%ary8ah0~1. Haw
about %he hlgh eahooX? DiB you have a Long walk?
Xo, high school was only five blockm away, ~o X
E ~ w & Y ~
Was 03-0~tBtQhorn. z8C%4QnC h~T39fDT ~ ~ C ? h S
31: never cwrP@dm y lunch, %hiasI t;hink w
o
n
s both
&o@d
and bad, bad in the sense $bat$ 5 sraw La88 of
A lo& of atlsars me%
have been do- the @am@ thw, 

Ytm, but %her@
were 1 grea%atmy of thea who were 

br-w $lat3iz lunahea and *her woulil get $a Bee 

eaoh other inbefwteen #oh001 4i2mca1.

Vae youm P family, bneidentaI.ly?

Q ~ U X Q ~ W ~ O S ~ ~ 

Tea, The New BngqlarsB wide took uss t o %he Cangragek-
'I&%ond.
Churcsh,
W
e
p
e
a they very s@ligtouas,BSbJLab-reding --
~amsrtrsxo HQ, ras, moe$ d s d t e ~ .
Oap Smnlly wse taxy mueh mt in %ws ;Isa the
sslepee $ha%B
h
e
r
i
e
a wrtrre diffsfr~441i'bsus.lt;ontsr. B
B
g $rand-
mothtar had Cwa 8iatrsra and a bro%he~who la%es@
m
e
t
t o 8taaR.bsfi and ws 81waye hcdld 2h~fllk:sgivingdPrmntsr
wi%hthem, beamat4 our Ihankag5vlng was on %he Haw
Bnglmd side of %he familyb Then Chriasttmas wwa
away@weth Che Qsmmside of the fmibyi; we kad
Bhri,etmaa with r-ny AunB bouise for mng y@ara,
fifSss8s Dhd you live with your aunt mtZ1 the houae w
s
j
r
r
s
r
hil*?
Wu~atmt go, *hey 11vd in another house m d %hen built this
B0't98(9.
Biiea~
t BQ you xemsmbex efeekng your awn home in prooeaer?
Wur;er%er
a Vary vl9idly, E
Y
I
p first mcsmory of the pbaca, praafi-
oally, w r s ~leaping aver a pile af wood -- 1899, 1
was 911~21year8 old. 1 rmember lt very ws11. Rush-
f~r%hwa&t the a~l~htnt;ecB.(Be did %he old S a
~ ~ e i ~ e o
hoLe1 whwe the ai%y 12al.l had iba tempor-
ary heaCaquart~rrslEaftsr %he fim. ) 1
4
y ma$her alwap
deu3tad %ha% Xr, R U B M O F ~ ~
W ~ B
a 60061 arohitsc%
bemuse he 8Zdntt pat a doorbell in.
Wwatt~zr X t w
w a T%eBoz.famhauras. 1% had aemB@ra %ha%
were 'bowgh8 by n m b w ea1-s %hatwexes bought
by nuenbeg frore $ha s saslntel %ha% w
a
a
r b~ugh*
by nunber from .the maiX1. A sattage -- %t had a
p e ~ ~ I o r
i.n $be Sroaf, l b e g porn, dSn%ng room,
kit&e~rl, % h a $Wee bratdsrocms earning off fkta Itbae
walks, %he howa, $b%
I began t o ask qaea%ions
about w h a t I was s~eing* And ~ome-Ehbg
I asked wsa,
ymwr In @dPfcsxnia, waB ta v ~ ~ f y
strong person, e
r
h
e
a d d to me, "Bow, why no% Be an arohiGeeh if you're
interested in buildlag? If you ever da not Like it
yoax o ~ l nleave it," BuZ; the idea waa t o s t a r t with
eomething pasi.t;i.ve, SQ I was @nzcouragsdin drawing,
smaaurag@&in obi~ervat2on,encourag~din all thslae
thiwa at boas, And thwe wa@never w doubt.
Eieerrag In I
&
$ ways moourag@d?
wU;rs%ert Well, extra drawing c~lassesrawit& the Beachesol when
%hey had an oxfxa how a% aah001. And they would do
Wra&wt %Masbelaraws %hey liked my Aunt LsLOSe Gmmrsrky
as w ~ t l l *
Bleaer Bow ex;.t;eneivabid %ha iimaw5ng a d g&#%fw
beo0n8P
Wwatearr ~rti)trer
~ e a l l y . Ny g u t waa more a intellec+ual
gifI thm a daawing gift, really. 1 could do s
reasonably good d~sttl~ig
but T never really exoellsd
a% it. And %hattawhy my early time hem in the
TJniveraIty I vary much iel* that I was an a oorduroy
xoad aver @hiah everybody else paoasd , doing
dhese wonderful. randerlngs of buildings. I hsdntB
tha abill-ty t o do entrrarzalag d ~ a w L i s
as suah, 3
wderrsZiood the ien-kelle&u&L asld a u b s B ~ ~ ~ v e
aide,
while %n wha* thsy were doing the proassa exeeeded
the product. 1% s$iI.l b~lds%rue, in that my hou~ea
m
a
r r
r
r
m
a
h better in the fact than in the pio%urem
X%% partly due 50 Ohe feet %ha* you san only take
a plcBuxe of the ends of apace m
d not a ~ Z a $ a r e
of the epaue betwaen, which f e very irapartm%.
Be863 2 Were you given muaio lessons?
Rtaratasrt Oh, yes, pima, w d I d i d 2%unt;il 1 realflred f
wau2dnvt Impxeve any more and then 8-bopped- 1%
waa the baaic % B h gto da &en you were a child)
I ' m sure it was rtght.
22Le4tro	 Bo y
a
m rslraresbtw Up* a fee&- of aclod bad
&baa$ % h ~
WUhnlr;bl en4 %haw.okti$esama %ha$ you
a$tw b S$QS&$Q~?
W U P ~ B ~ % ~ ~ Q ~ S 	
Yeel atad OwteW ranrmt%srthin@@ dagget8 ~ i a r&53,ny life.
l h ~ z s
w
m a vhicaxa of a houea au4i SEa i8a~t'srLane
B b t W B S ~lived ;
i
a h d
%hbtWiIheit~,W U O ~a
w~ndes$ul.bovo-sPozy poroh w$%h wrlateria on it, The
aw?ziagas drove ~ ~ a d 4 x
*Be goreh, Z always ~ a e d
88
beg 'k9 aFQp b;V e~ltrdlook *-	 m a y
%'b M d 1
8
f
&
r
e
ytjmre labr H WLW w ~ r k i ~
for Wle W X l h ~ i t , k t before
ah@'&
gottea me #he'1 Ii~tcrngdt;o a aoa8rs~Boswho'd
%am
that whale pdmh Bwn. feha houeas w
a
r
r just ~ l h o ~ n
oi fte glo~r,o m bf B b sadQset dMnga f 'd ever
set#&, BuQ Bhot wae the s~L&ln09 the romantio phase
Jln p~troff~s~~li~nail X
ZPPBS~ ~~.
Wsoert &B o m you xenegnbe~tuq plans@tiha* you con~id~lred
+s be xegular homsrs7
%raterr Yeap the &mgwgaf%anal,WU;P&J
t h ~ r e
wai3 I brsax,
ILat3gMwJ
1 vsgd %o amme ayaelf by llw we hail a 128816
@lab w%.t;h $be boy@E w
m
%ai$h a d we*& want OMngiis
t o do, wad 80 X bvtants4 a gw%. I wotzld draw s
pieWrs 0% their house QB a blaakbaw8 ficm raemexy
@amle%ekr.X could l a m y house $ha% they rslralsed
a
c
e
, my pl~acle01the %ern, x& w
a
s
s so ph~-kograpbd
b a
y nem~f~~y
thsitr 1 realy ao~l(8
go ahnoat a2gb-h
& Q W ~ the H%Z~Q'&, m
y I w
e
a
r had such a @-boreo f
nmaesnm Bsd oaly knawe.
Wae i-b phote~iagh;bo
nemory or Bit3 you ras&ly a*&$
*ire tow you awed wowd'Y
Hot T~&.&Y. C 8 ~ t d . E i$ h i = ~ appfW16d *O m6f ~ 4 ~ 8 8 h l
tWa17;a 8idnttc Ger4mi.n things in %he Xi$%leViator-
l.m h~ub~eta
were Quite guoB. 

!+Phsttar
what they wax4 for a e ra~s.0
pmt, BZaCoriezn? 

pzZl4s old h0-ea WQFe V $ o ~ ~ $ $ ~ , 

Xots mr9 -probably unique in. ~onrcgroup in bowing 

wh-t; you wexa t o do, -bBaf you were goug 80 Gal. 

IPhaBtsr r5ghf. Mr. Howard 15euf just o a w , you erese,

about Dan yeaw prcsvioue, a d ay mother @aid, *Thraretos

%he,pZsa.oe t o go be81uae he i
r
a a very a004 m o h i B + ~ t , ~ 

BQWw
a
e
~erhe 610 bn .%ouchwi%h%Me? 

Prom hbtx resd$ag. She was a mazing womaa, 1% fate 

had deaL$ her b s h g an W ~ B L ~ S ~ ~ O F ~ 

B W%SB62 my%hing
like *ha% w&uSd hem don@St wi$h gr@a% aplomb,
She mr a very glft& woman+
Wl;lrar.ti@x
t B b did dl1 her hoa~ew~rk
btsoau~lewe didnfQ
&T@ enough m~ney, IY~ ls, when I % % m e 8
b t o
eollegs i m i l y w a gs9.t;ing $200 a non% md 1
got $50 09 ft t o @om@ t o oollsge. Just W
n
R o f
that!
TiSemr 'Mow 4iQ they amage %a W d a houm?
W W B ~ ~ E S They barrowed arsney from my pandno%her,my sothex'lil
rno.9;hssrband p a d hex %he rsaB of Be2 lLfe. The
only ino~mer
e
h
e
s had wree that $6 a maa%h.
Yea, a d my mo4hex -- nobody ~mstOla the hours@
fa no& -- 4id all the ~c3.ubbin.g %he flaara
and a3.l $he lawdry, and d l Oh@ cool- wid every-
$hibig elm. $he W ~ B
sexy strong, ate one meal a
dr~g,dbner, a d %hatw a all, Bever ate Ismoh,
never ate breaf as*,
IPllssrcr: my'?
WwbaLax~ She didn4t wan* t o ,
And @he wrrra probably ahre finest bride;@player
in $own, BZaye96i a nagniiicen.tf garae of bridge. She
nevesz played for money, and even $hau@hah@ bsXsnged
t o %he be$$ Brfltge club, wM8h dfd pXay for aoney,
shet$play but abet woU4n4%t&re money, Bha area
hsz mrcram ~eromcs.t;Pmensl, &ownw&, 80 @he woul4niB
~ X W ~ Y G pdssa,
be ge6t-
$be really made %he 10at 09 a BalZw Q$ any
@anTt+s ever meen 2n my Zifr. W
e 4idt s $ma% deal
of ern1ertaixtLn.g, mtwh co~~pmy,
much gollng and aonsiing;
ye& noB&it~g
was %a@
mch work, 8medng.
Oomgan$ baing pebgle from th@ East?
No, rela$ive~~
and 9 waa Bhi-g m o ~ tof -bhe young
peaglb -- we a
s ~hildren,om cornpay, We wma
&tway~hav%ngsl~meonein t o din net^ wi%hua. Hardly
a day went by %&a% we dILida9, And when we were in
eoll-age they all awe hams from oollege with us,
You $owB quit;@aoaial,
WelL, X w&$ made e
a
a beaauae sy family didn't believe
I
E
I
EUIB$-SSCZ&L.
'~sUI~
Dfd you ge* fo b o w woht%satain Stiookton in
2 ~ 1 9 ~
thti~ereemlg diaya? Pi& you have any ~ e d l
eontac.tr
wi%hthem?
Peas. The mas% famoura: n a in Sfookton bfr f
w was a
man by Bhet ame of E,B. Brown, w w m Xngli~hman
and S sussgeot; drink brought bjlla %harePnettead 0
3
' his
beAng Sp a blgges~glace, but kr really did beseut;fful,
be@u$SFul Bkingras Be dfdt pr 8sondeaful hotzee in Staokton
fox %he VaZk Oea7nflly and i
'
l
;wao a great houee in Qawn
203 a w t Y ~ ~ W B ,zt ww QZ t~hd
@raiGm@n-$ypa
h~azraew
,Bha ffxsO wiW %he ZOX
2;Islea, naf 8 V%aQoaZa*nBousr, i n that who3.e blmk
oe ltm4 gract.trb~ml3g.
ICBatitrs w h a t 7811
Bean whm y ~ u
;
r
qu~raftiarmm*?
WelXb 1% W ~ B a beok aaXlerU
tan esa when *bay did
&
t
r
o and BrtafBer, i$#nion fumt%uree m fzoa %ha%
era, .t;btngm &$ke that,
lhir ilai .t;he,novmen.ti I
n Bnglmd'P Willim Nax~iar?
1% probably w
a
a
r Phe C&1 end oPI $he m~vimaklz%
in
Bnglaad ctoaing Zn &~riea.
wCr~Zrcsrm~ff wi%hwood.
12 wbU4 fW34 a&eo~jv&te
I b l r a hype. m
e m
o
v
e
r
m
m
t of tho 3ioyc~ai%a~',
%he iollortng ia exo@~pted
foam 2ha Boyaxgft Boo$,
The fay~zwftiBhop, Bae
Isa Baycmaftar~ja
m
e a cola-
m % t yof wsrksra who make baaau$iftzl Book# an& Things
-- rna3t5n.g B
h
m ae good a# %hey
om. gaper on
aWab Bsrye~oftboakg m e painDed i
a
a Qhs vezy )see%
gsemxab1e9 a&taont~o f %he Mtfals hand illum%ned,. ,
QUF work i.8 %he ~ I ? O ~ U Q % Be&,
of %he three Bp8: Hemf
sad 33~4, X
a %&inp aade by herad $here arr no du'pli-
aatseg aa8 t'urthe~,thsrs i~
a qnality of sa$irn#nt
&ttmbat o artial@taBhus p ~ c ~ 3 ~ 0 6 d nevtm elinge
thraf
t o ferlr;r$sza made in vaat quan%i%ias
by erCemn. &.b ;t@
$he axpgcss%ionof rmtan'e $oy in his wo~k;an4 %Be e3ptiw
o3.e mads Sn joy wATIZZ g 1 ~ eJoy again to the %&&fv$&ual
%Isatgoeaemaes it.
&? @xplan&+~io~
of $bRoyctx~ftiIda&, cEitled *A
Saaial and Sgiiuwdxi,al Expszctmenti,'' i s fnoluded 3.n fhg
above ~almlog, 1
C
t ~ E Iwritt;ern by Elbart Efmb'be%rd( 1 ~ 3 6 ~
19151, the 1eader and 18pokea- for *he In~tlda~+l~n.
Any of %he wsltinge of Elberr4 Hubbmd will laad the
retadsr . t ; ~
the Bsp$??o~%e3?a, 1
Wwa~Csr: and &he deukle eags ~ r s
magoaiuear and .trh&ngsl i k e
$ha%, Ph0topaghar were UPIUISLSIZ~blwrred m d sn
%he sof* side Cpi&orialf rsarJ+
-$ng high raahool f warked fax &)own fn the
e x An& ItX& never f@rg@%
-- he BIIW
15% 1
8
- vary
bat%&boa% piay-5~
b91I.1~ he aaid CQ mag V@I, you
kseg txaok of y
a
w time," !tUe plaaeed se vez$
muah an& I kept %racko$ Oh* time, an8 them he
never paid ms tyzy$Mngl Z w02keB for U m i o ~
%has
whole aumm. Hy parenta wsss iaoensed about it
I
%
& 1 wesaa18nt8 1@1 them go 50 h b abou-k itr, I said,
"lo, if Z was worth s~methingbe woultl gay me. If
X weren't, Bs w o ~ l d n ~ % , ~
byway, f Learned eo muoh,
Rle~so Had of work Bid you do for E
.
B
. Brown?
ksstarr~ I drew plmla, msa~urhgout, blueprin%Ong, aknythimg
that WBP done by the offioe bog.
&Leas@: You were called an offloe bay?
W ~ S ~ Q X Ye0
~ -- everybsdy cstti3.3. haar them.
RPerila: Did you work for Brown otpmera 8uring oolLeg~P
Wwe*sr: as, i.t; WRB more profitable t o do aurveyiag, and &Lao
it waa mme out of ~ O O P S . 1 wae rather weak-framed
and i t built up my hetalth and mad@ mee a sBuxdier
pextimn.
R i m a ~ SQUXmother thought it would be good for you t o
oome Os Gal beoeruss John Galan Howsurd was hare.
BuZ; if he hadn't come gi3.gh-b you have stayed aa
an rapgrsn$iae d h h Brown m d gotten yaw axchf-
teoQwal traiaing Bhat way7
Wwe.tser: !&aqt;'@
very tr;luer, I sigh%. Pxcapt ay fa-khsr w
a
r
a
b~und,having been wo ~u~tailed
fn educa'bion, that
X would go to Phe Vni~ermity. ?his was not a matter
of mohiP;aature, just a maftex of prinoipltsr,
School of Architse%urs and FaculOr, 1913
B i t ~ s ~ : Xn 1913 you ems t o Berkeley t o bhs Bniversity sf
CcaJifoxnia %o study areshitee0ure, Vaa there my-
oae else b your high eahool alass who was going
t o be an mohiteet?
Warstcar8 Za, eexoept one of the b o p who o m s down the year
I a i d and joined the i r a % ~ s ~ n % t y
-- three o f us
joined S i g m Chi -- was going t a be an ascM%ea-b,
bta-i: he Beeided that businsska would be much be%ter
for him so be lei% arohi%eo%me
very ~ a s l y
in %he
faiess:
gme I
Did m m y of the people in your high school some
C a l l
t o
Wurloter: There were abou% 100 g~sauratesin *at high sahsol
in 1913 and I
'
d say abonC twenty or ahirty erne
here asld +hen f think abouS four or five went f o
R i s m :
S t a d o r d ,
Was there ever any eon~idesationof going Baot
oollege?
t o
Well, th~xe
cjouXdnt.tr be bercauns none 09 ua hsd any
money, Tau JUB* O E ~ U ~ ~ X Z ' % . w@ f%es. A
n
d ws
la~v;LBn~L
afforb the r d h o a d fare, o r smy%Mag
~ ~ k 8 9 r
One tins one 09 the boy8 at the fxater&.%y
when P wanted -&a go f~ one o f -the par4iiere ant! T
usuldn't afford $0 go, he arsked, '
m
y donst you
w k YOU pwents Par msneyTfl 1 was t~hooked. I"X
aoul8rmf*b,%hey haven't 80% any. 1 woulth" think
a$ asking themrfl They gave $650 a nton%hfor saoh
% e m fop eight aonP;hs, about $400 a yew, and 9
worked in aumsxa t o augplemsnt that a d t o esrrvl
money for elothtsle, and went %boughoollego en that.
f notfaed fxeebmul gmmetarical drawing among the
Sahool ei &chi$soturefs admlaaian requiremen%@ in
3913,
Ilsa%'s right, m d I d i d have meahmica1 drawing in 

high aach001~ 

And who else would h ~ v e
been taking Ohis other than 

people going into mchitee%ars? 

I Bhin3h mybody who waa bent in thio dix@085on would 

be liable 80 be taking A%, 

Waa it a cowrae that someone p~spmingt o be an engin-

e4er took? 

Ytes, Xornram Pmb, who suns %Z;h B w p on W e Bay
Bridge, w a s Zn tihat class." And ha nae as auoh
a stubborn German %hen, inefdentally, ae he is
now, [Seaughtier3
Did oQher new mehlteotuzle sCudsnt8 have a@ muoh
prep&ra%ionae you did, or mare?
As much, except for the extra-cu~ricularthing@
%hatZ had in Stoakton, and the w i l l to be an
mohi%ec%.
How long laae tho mehitecture ourrloulum when you
It wae four yews.
I
And i
$
w a ~
oalled fhe Sohool of Arohitieoture. Why?
SahooZs take charge of the uFper division work of
8keir student$. A nollege take8 the &Men%at his
* A t the tine of building the Bay Bridge originally,
in 1936, ~o limited wae knowledge of t ~ a f f i o
path
texnma that; no all.owmce waa made for the truck# --
esngfneerfrig educaatdon was mcth $00 narrow, laeking
craativeneaa about 9* -- and so In 1962-69 %he
upper deok had t o be lowred %o the tuns of a million
and FA .half dollarls Oo care for t h l ~
lack of bwgins.tioa.
Is.w.3
In order to inoreaea %Be clearklra6e in the upper
dealt of tha bridge whsre i t pames throu$h the %%amel
on Yesba &@riaTnebmd, the work w
a
e
r nnder%&ant o
lower $ha$ deok, The work was Gone below tihe ataxface
of the dsclrk and wi%hthe gnc~?;eotionof a ramp-like
u h m p MwUoh extended aorogs d l l a w atad whioh moved
from one ~ n d
of the eananel fo %he sther a8 %he tsak
waa ~ompbsted, [sa,l
WwaLerr iiss-b yo-; tbatra the diffsrenoa between them,
(1% wae a aahosl of W ~ I T ~ ~ Q O Q ~ U ~ S
and a department
of architecbxs aZI in one animal, wA%h one head,
until 1953 when iC beame the College of &chi-
BeaWre beaausa re took over wha% we had ac%uaXltg
Been doing all %he *fms with the a%udentfrom h i s
fir@%
year on, 1% went baok to a department again
when we organized thia new administrntSve p a n n i t ,
the College of EhviramenOal Dsaign.)
R,iesaaf &en when you were in the school. atmeture you
didn" have much akolae in bower divieion, did you?
Yws?;rsxr No, it was ~ r e t t y
muoh prescribed. W e didrz" get
muah architec%ure. We got Bone drawing, Freehand
drawing, and a li3tI.e wataroolor, The archi-taatwe
ema mostly later. We d i d physios, English, history,
and %he usual other thinga.
Rlesa a In 1912 you asem t o have had iVilLiam Baya, John
Galen Hosvcard, Wamena Perry, Cumminge and Seawell
m d Leland f o r insBmotors. Do you remember these
men?
WusBer: 1 ~emmberthem a l l very well, of covrae,
Pad SZap~ndJeans was here then, and he bsoams
my first boes in Stm Branafsco in John R@iBis offlus.
Wwiat@rt When I came batlrk h@sea
r
s
l dsm he waa m ~ rrLgk8-hatztP
a
r
m an8 he W ~ E Iau.th8 dean when X went away a;rw8
the wox&d, a @wee%
m d fine gerooa,
W ePaa?ry W ~ B
o ~gw
who did v ~ r yae@mZything@,
very ooaely th$ng@.
&Lea@
r	 W
h
a
3 do you mean by seialy and eolnely?
WmeOere	 Jusrt that. He,waa not pw-tiau&arlyinterestt@din
the! little thing as auoh, And he liked t h ~
idea of
society wilh s oapital Y more than 1 paid at%ention
to, Be was m Q r B of a aonfornist tbaj3 Z a
.
Riesrs: 	 Did you know J o b Galen Rowmd?
Wuadero 	 loll, it was a sa&Z IC~LOOL, and while I: never had
&re Howard actually aa a c r i t h o , Because the w a ~
yeaxs interfered and ces%ain yema he was away and Z
Just m&@eed
U r n , Wor%una-tely,I did know h b g w i b
well, Be uoed to saler%ainthe school at his houae
at musicals, T h i ~
wse the firs% tias that I'd ever
been to a party. Ooxning from a middle-elasa fa~n99y
in the town of Stooktoa where you d9dnqtgive
vfmueioalsn[laugbingl, you had car8 g m a s or you had
ahildrsn'a g a e E or something of t h a t s o r t , bat you
didngt g i v e o pwtg with a motif ae %his olie hiad,
this set a whole view o f Wings in mo'bion,
&B, @regorygave Jehn QaZmHoward t h ~
xgtmey
Lo bui2d %ha% houas for his P&b$, ~efidJedit to
hb, Z-k'a $own oa $he %wa
o$ W a y &a4 30as6~a
shake bouais wMuh jig vex$ b@au%ia1,N a l 0 e ~
Sorsilsa
B
m
-
h U v e a fn %41 now,@
W
h
y do you %Mnk%ha%
6h@ ofher @eta% fiar~hiteotsof
%he area, like Nullga~dtand Folk m d Julia btlargaa
a d so on, never weae brozs&t t o teaah at tha Pa-
vexeb*;~r?
X abuAd %h;tnk%ha$ tha maim# some of them hadnq$
bsw bxaugh* Ln is $ha% %haywould be far %oo bds-
pendent far W . ~ Q W ? W ~ ' B
Beaux-Azrt;~spirit, He
would revere Doo muh Ohe claseical educatloa,
~tZLg~h;rdt
pm4~IaularIywa8 a fsee~wheelingsau2,
you h o w , and d18 %he Cuw8 of %he Seaaona at the
1915 Exposition, m d did soae wondsrful houses md
that fxatsxni%yhouse an the coxn~ro f Wurbg an4
Charming -- whfQs w-bueco houses, with Tibe%= stsnee
on the roof, supposedly, or clay I~hrownOo look like
2ibeQan stone. %Mawas a LkBBls t o o free-wheeling
for Hr. Howwd.
Riaso3 	 &d yeti 9
h
c
s apiri.t sf Jobn Galen Bowwdg8 bourses t o
nn~3 $8 f ~ ~ - ~ w h e s L i ~ ~
Vwsta~o 	 Wells siloma be I f d very saaraally, Bu$ he a t i l l
aapirrad f o Calflo1nit3 E
t
d
.
1 m d Cs Bhs Library
and %o Wheeler Hall a d E
I
e
m
8
-
b Ml;a-ZYyg BuiLdAng,
I t k q y l k o
8 i . e ~ ~ : 	 ~tudenta,like youxeslf, o m s to ieeuc~ywtth him
no8 beoause of the influenoe of the arohi%eelmre02
*he enviromarlat; %heywere uornlng for thirs e l a ~ s f
oal --
Wu~stert 	 Tha%'s right, the etrafgb* eLaseical thing, Xn fact,
the csnv3.roment L BuppoBe wouldn't have been reaog-
n i ~ e d
i
& those day@.
mas^ : 	 Qan you lay g~ne:&ly what ha8 happened arc?hiteotnr-
ally &n%he area %ha% w~uldn't have happened if
there P3adnz'% been *he early Soh001 o f hrohitectwe?
Wurafxr: Tiell, &, Monwd m
a
m
e out be$ore the fLre arid earth-
quake, but afBm the firs a d owthqu&@there was
a @?eat develognen-b, of oourse, sf buildings t;o b
e
3
done, es he brought ofhex p~op2.61on sue and it
beoma a core of mahitoctural advia@,
\7&lliam C, EIaya same in 1904 and he did sreverwl
thing@i n 5w Praraciaoo -- the P~@obyteriai
Ch~wgh,
for insBmae, a p~in-b
ahog -- and Mr, Howard did
Ww@ter: Oh4 2i~~cm-&row
crompwiy m
d arevera3. emall bank@
on EBantgomciiry Street, Eand t b Levi Stxauen Bu114iag
on Plattsrry Stred, and the Adam Bran% Building oa
Batfexy, right aorom 2 ~ 0 n
the Crown %llerbmh
&ildin$. Sa %h~r@ a nietrksd ech03ar2y trend
v
e
r
w
esdng from %has@ early peap5e who beliov~din the
rnwdeiaty of architee%tce@ad the maje~tyof %he
prodnc8.
&@%her
bf'll;3ace o f ths @arch001
was th& ar gxea-b
many people cams here, cme from
to %he $ Q ~ Q O ~ 3
S%aekton, and beame enamoxed o f Bhe glaos, and never
moved mqr. %he ~JTC~QOL fad it@
gxadluates Sn*o
the we& Zmsdiately, so $he whole eucsa beaso the
fmgrin-b of tihe &ah001 by tiha0 .fioken, Likes people who
*gcaduateWfrom ny offfa%, 88 it were, barn th@ %okiea
of whatever I have t o give. qs've been s breeding
ground Sos s hundred aroBaite~%e
in Bern h a ~ l a i s e a .
ROsraart 	 In $he old aatalog of the echoeL the terminology is
fn Prach, the Beaux-Ar-tse influenoe I suppose?
W
w
a
~
%
r
a
r
o Vary mch, indeed. And we @$ill had $0 %&s a f o r -
eign language, and you always had t~ take Preaah,
(I atarded Brench in eollegs, and thie gave me a
Wwlsrtext
Ueoe t
WwaDero
Riesa t
Wnrs%ert 

~i@aar
t
harzoz of $ha% BOZ% of thing BQ when I w m dam I
beistied $ha% we not a t w L Xmguages in aollegs, J
bsLfeve in the lmguages if they're oDarBed in the
grade ~ c h ~ o l a a leg9t3mafs
and if $ha letnguage bwomea
tool ~ Q P wonderful, b ~ %
YOU t o US@ h ~811e@3 i
t
'
s
t o begin %s lamn soetle~on the piano in solle~gerand
call it a ~ursiudepart;m%ab 9a 1 ~ 8 %
wrong, in my
no-bion. W
h
e
n we beoamea %he College of Eaviromlee%al
Beaign we sDruck ou% %he foreign langiiage r@quinem@nt.
It isn't; %Bat Xtra a,g&n~Zifox@i@laagwagsa, I %
h
&
'
&
they're woadexfal, bu41 %hey's@ wondsrStPL if Iearned
young enough so -$ha%they become part of your being.)
Did these instruefiors you had hare a Beaux 8 2 % ~ ~
stdnsa%ian?
Howwd did, Ferry did, Bays had E e1igh-b orie -- he
waa i i ~ e $graduated fr~m
8he fixs-k sohool of archi-
$errr.t;ure at %he TTniver~iCyof Pew$ylvanisz,
UulmrPlnga a d Seawell, I no-biced, had no deg~ess,
Yea, Cumings wa8 i
n eouPptuxe a d SsitovsXl, who was
a friend of &a. KewetBo, 9aaght waDerealo~,and he
was a genBle little man, afoe guy.
Eh~rs
were graduate courses, given in aivil engin-
eering, but you didn't go on?
--
Vwstax 4 HQ,X didntt have enough money, and 3 w
a
r
s e a g e ~
%O g#%
oa% en my own, I was ill. a year X went t o sallage
in 1923 1914 a 4 then frz 1915 3: wars ill slvtha
sort of ~srnP-typhald $ U g ee Z @tay@d
011% far a
yew? becau~ain those days eoweea, par%iczu2wXy
Ln the Ark, ran by %he yew, xre9 by the %em. $0
it wale t r e q hmd t o ma4rZ@zalat@
in the &ddle sf
the yeas. T ~taysdout 8 p a l and %hen sane baak
a $$ELF an& %hen went to wax m
a then @ m e badk s
half a year, lana it was a long Bern and beeawe I'd
been $n mmime~sahool in aoae marine work I ha4
enough unitaar,
a
a
a T graduated in B b @ am d a h d i
~ g ~ m a , aahaol.
p l u ~%he summer
RZesst Wh8% was %he gro~edweZn xegS8tesing t o practice
in dhoee day@? How soon d?%~r
sohool were you
rsgSate ~ e d ?
Wms%er:	 V
B
9
1
1
, the procedvfe in ~egis%ra%ionw
a
r
s mob
flimpler, you gatre your Iff@history and you docu-
zasnted itr a$ berat you ooul8 wi%hrnot~rtal,imd you
gave lsttexe of ~soommendatilon. Mr. Rsward wrote me
a won&erF~l
Iet't;es, Mr. Hays wrote p. l e t t e r , I
&
,
2oxxy wrote a l ~ t % e x ,
an4 then I appewed befom %he
barn&, I had tiBi8 psaoti~alexpaxisnoe $n Sacramsnfo,
a d a0 in 1922 when I appeared befare them they said
I w
a
s
a the b@st-de~men.Oard
geraw who had been before
$hen, aid there wa@ no gu@afi~a
abou* ny li@m~Sng.
You s d d you went t o war?
1 w
a
r
n Owned down bemuse tihe aemL%yghoidBiking
l@ft
me wi%h a he&-mmmm. Sb I @auldnqB in
the navy -- I .trzrisd to, Then when I eoxtldnqt 40
%ha% 3 ame down $0 %he Univer$i%y hers a d tiaok a
nwine @nginesn$ng m d ship d s ~ i g n
eaaxse given by
9.E. Dioki~,quiW an ama5;ing gexwan, and he a& the
en& 09 %ha% time @aid, "1 can ge% you a job at Mare
Iflkand, or going do sea tn boats.w Bnd I s a d I'd
rather do my s b ~ e
a% @@a9 fXld 80
in b ~ a t ~ , I
%s sea in the engine rooa. And this, of coarse,
wiBh a weak hemst;,waa probably Dhe oradeet thing
that the Lord w i l l ever 1eIi me &a, But anyway --
ly first day I
'
l
l nevep forge% -- wholly irrele-
vant, buQ -- my mothex debated what Mad of clothrser
1
: ahoul8 wear, beoauees I didn't h o w what you wore,
a 4 sro T wore a# old -tweed aruit, thfnking this wc1p;zl.d
be aL1 righ8, and the firs8 aosistan'b -- he had aolld
Chs clay, and you go up and buy two p o % ~
of blue jetma --
you boil them aftex you've worn then for three ox
four days, GO boi3 C
h
e
m in wa.t;rer and asap -tro waeh
them out, ofhwwiae %he 091 gets in evsxythfng Zn
tbaC kind of olafhe~,~[Laugh-te~]
So you went inOo %he navy from home?
Yes, the merohant aarfne, really, and I aemsd f a r
aix montha, from July to January, 1918 and 1919.
Phen 1 awe back an8 I was jus* in %ime for the
aeaond ternl the long tern, and with a f e w noxe
unit8 1 completed my senior work in %hat;half-year,
Did you have an FntcresP in boa%-building? Did you
ever build yotarlaelf a boa%?
NO, I never have, T learned a great deal abou%life
m d a graa-t deal a b o ~ t
the sea an& the farscZnation
09 it, Sailors all hate the sea when they're on it,
but they can't leave it. And no sooner do they
leave S a n Fraucisco but they talk abont when they're
going t o g e t baak, hrd y e t when they're on the
shore they're bored. It's a w
.
r
r
r
r
a
y of l i f e , and i t p a
quid;a unusual,
Waa this ~ i x
months one long run?
I wen* t o Wawaii onea, and then went out t o the
Philippinas, T saw K a n i l a in 1918, and there it was
Wwa.t;eart 	 we bard ha% the Amhetiara had eome, so Bhat %herre
wsler d&noizq in *he ~~%reeBar And
in S
m E\;cmobsoo.
ws g ~ $
our cargo and tmrned woum3d and am@back --
Na.k~onb o a $ ~ , Ve wme talking o f going wound %he
woxld, g
o
- t o gtXt~a, with 811 $he wheat from
Auail%r&ia,whi~h
would have been very twrciting,
''(Rhen Oha eeoond world w
w X waa by thdi
~ ~ e , I went to the Navy
U
I 1941, $6 	years old.
agan and I
. #@A&, Wan I ge.C In?"
And they etxtd, "Elow old w e
" ~ O P ~ Y - B ~ X
I '
"loo old, Can't you do aomwkhing else?"
And I saia, "Well, 1% t M m g of gaiw to
Umari9. ae a atFldgnB,
H T ~ t mch better, on.
a go
And I went baok and wata ta fdtu8en-t at Hmvard
when I was 47, )
SBuden4i Life, %he CWQUS and the Town
Rieare2 	 W
h
a
* do you think m s the raasono for the nofable
fltogethernesec in the Sehool of Archi%eoture? This
bui2ding o e r t a b l y ahowa eviden~eof i*.
firesters 'Phabwa%rue, very smeh aoe WeU, this ha8 alwaye
Pike sL antall* liberal W B
Q Q ~ ~ I ~ I E ) I
w&%hikI
traa3 susi.verrar$*, wen fxosm the eWmb. You had
thlw night work, a d you had a %able%ha* wa8 your
own, and tbaf wtw hone bass. From that you s%udietd
U %he U b ~ m y
and from %ha% you wozlked on wee'ttentla,
This table waai s stable fhing and it waB in %he
prectaenue o f ymx ulae~smstsie,
And we l o ~ t
a great deal l a the assnee $ha% we
hati BO-oslled "hotwtablea at a later period when
we were $00 csrawded aknd had slot enough space? %hen
the table waul8 anly be yoma for your claw $We,
and then 10 Belonged 4s somebady else at o Q h e ~
$ b e @ . 1h58 drum people how, and the Borne eon-
aisBed of an ap&ment or a fiar.bexniw house, an8
par%2ctularly19 you'xe married, an apartanem%. And
aao$her thPng tE3.a4tta happened t o confuaa things i~
that 19 you live i n %he married stndsnl housing dawn
at Ihe Bill Tssot, it's a long %xek to go down $hex8
t o have dlnnsr wiOh your family and then cone way
bank up here, ! h i i s waska a real hmdshig on the
married e$ud%ntte.
I;;tfa wae very muah sfmplar in 1912 anyway in the
1
7
P
u
r
s
~
.
t
r
@
3
p
t
	 srenss %ha% Bhaxa ware no maQar Q E W ~%O atpea& of
ss %bbxe w a ~
na parking pmblism, an4 aiaoec emrsry-
'bad$ w
w w9th~uirQWEI
war weae all in the e
r
e
t
m
e boa*,
W
e w e d pubkio %xmsportat;iontzo gef t o pmtiss;
wsid go on %he ferry boat
to Sari P ~ a n o f ~ a o ar on
the tx+a9n, and iC beoarae part of the g a l a event Bo
go lwi%h
the whole train f i l l e d with like psople.
Of course ;you codt8ni%do 13 now b@eau@e you do h v s
oars and you @
a
n
!
+
, a
n
&
e believe you haven't gaO B~BJII,
ft wsa like r&ioniag d u r h g %he war where i t waernlt
maoh sz hecrderhig beroaulee evarybody had t o do it, 9t
put you all on the r
a
m
i
e basic, and thfs %ria a thing
t b i ~
doeant$ happen now, Weit kraa to make the beat of
QUF im@di&te
$U3?rounder beclataolr we w~brera" 88 capable
of making larger eweroundea, We wouldnf8 th- 09
goin,$ Bo Palo &Do for dinner, POT in~Banee,whiah
everybody doear now beaau~eChey o m $st In t h e h ea9
an4 go down 9.n ran hour asd have dfmatr dtad come bask
i n SE~Z hour. I
A
l
e j u ~ t
ran~aekedour own neighborhos8s
t o ge* congenial soula to ham dinner with ue.
R
l
.
s
s
e
~
l
s
8 	 W
a
r
s
r 91 uand t o live in irta%smIty
housreet
b ~ e t e x r 	Yea, it was qui&@ ueural, beaauble as hadl no a~fdmee
hall@ wha-be~ex.
RL~Bs
t 	 56 woad be m e apt 9s be an, $'ra%exnf+ty a
berwding houlEe3'
?hwtaQ@%r Yea, 98 yoa @auX&afford i%.
1 @mevery B L O ~ B P - ~ Z ~ .
J: wo~kedin %he e u m e ~
mb my $
&
l
y gave me 859 a monGJa.
Bidseeo 2% sounds like was
a 2r~te~nI.t;y a k b d sf 1.xunwy.
Wstsrt 	 The fraBexnitty w
s
r
a
r We only glws ahexs %he &lm%nirjrtxa-
fian eon14 gain a.ttud~nQ
op&r&onand wbxb %he rildu&tsnt@
c3oi;22d paally Bslg aald dirsattlana -- a% $hat time
8hexe wwe n~ rerS&eaaw ladkXJa, an8 in oa~%aia
MUs
4f t h b ~ @ ~
the studenti body oxgmiea%ian,the MUG,
was unrea~lrra'bls~
And by $ha %oken,the g~esP-
den* satx&d gqt a ~ r s ~ s
hi8 idea@ a d wha% he warted
%xi raaCtet~ilie like %he hon03! eyatetm.
llphaa we were bad $
.
X
I oahsJ.$tr~~hi*E,
Pxereldmt Wheelerr
tzresd t o osme by o w bouerer beoan~she knew one of our
~&m%er
aezpbe~t~,
a d he jua% would lend a oaohet by
doing %ha$, ba %ha$ we'd gork a little hzrde~. I
~emsbmb#x"te wandlexfuZ $ h a he awe -- he wore a
FxSnob Albert coa* aIwag~#
you bow, one o f them
pre~fdeaBiaLfrmk ooa%e, -
1 T looked up and a
fm~$bmaa
w
a
r
n b m d a g h h ;en %he &oar brying %o $take
Wwefaxt 	 &* ~$3,
m
e
3 la@ keg* aray&.ag, "lo, Ithis i d 8 ara
~vesro~al!,
no,%hi& %ran*%
m mm~zsoa41," EZleught;asc]
One $emambea~a31 &o*a 09 famay fhhga I%&@
*ha%. 

Bilssrso	 W
b
t wr yaw? serno11pi4ast
sf %he 'tJal~meiOy
whan you
w@rehare ae a- #fmden+t,fPmn w ~ B i % m W d ,
emriromnenta pa*& of VaewP
Wnrstarrr	 2
h
r
a ampars WW really 'b@au%ia1
m d wiPd and f i l l e d
w%.tsh
ctaunyanas mid tcr%ee an8 a%rermsir,moh am II di$n*B
hme In Bdo@k$snr Z @ m e $trle~1 new Wrld Was
Pi31eB wL+h Bhe joy o f Haua2 Bs81.t;y mexy %urn.
X t W ~ B
w~naerfd.
Rfiibeeo %
I
&
v1~rbtetiBds~kelsybeio~csa~a%ngt o egehool
y ~ u
he2*ieP
Varo%e~ Yea, 1190% vesry ofha, W
s w
a
s
a
t more 86 dkars &me
t b
r
a
*
ctkrsse, when I wsa iraU bey, besauhile ay uaols,
BwUd Qmxll~ky,w
a
r
r city ~ngiaeer,anti I wets 8akerr.
BQ hie Bo~gls0
1
9 QlayS%xset,
gBes ompnr W ~ B
L
Z
S
k
e a @ea% park, very few
buZLii@r on 58+ 1 %hbk%
h
a
p
c
a
rwere on3-y ~ O U Por
f2ve thouoand sPub~86tBhm, if I r a n
c
s
C xi~%aken,
rs%llyvery few,
%sfas t ABmD how many b~
~ ~ ~ o h i % e ~ % n z e f
Wztarterr Oh, iB would be fifby ox sr5&y, X guett~a.
~VT~~'B%@PO %%is h i l d i r ~ f
C&~b$t41atmh@
was he~8f
imd
$be Iecbbriiea IBtliaCffng waa %hex@!,
Oh@ yaZJ,ow briok
btlkSdfng5 Betwit* I&x&ag
')3tlllUng was $hem$ %o~%b
H d 1 , anBI 230~$b
6ZaXlt the %%%say *- $R@$ f ~ o n *
af 9% ha4 been bu%l$, Bhe Brrtek WnrB betan btk21Q.
(Of oarnee $ha North Ulf ai%e bsts &im@
bean t&hn
by %he I;ibrmy Amax. Z t was at Che a
a
a
m
a
a Jsoa%ion
en *ha n02'bh aide bs SOU*^ t o 8he %3%%hl
It
waa 8 W Q O ~ B ~ oomp~.~rat@~y
buixai~gthou*, W Q Q ~ , no
brisk all,) k
t
3 I taek ay ffrrer-b g4yw8oe olam
P
n B~utihBall, baemae %hen phy@lc!~s taugb* in
w a s
Scm4ih Hall, aa E a e a l y have es @ea% maoxy a$ %ha%,
BSslslrero	 AnB waeaf8the Ompanils under aozze$mot9om?
IfRzrirer.texa 1 4Mnk tht em@
&beat!1915, if I'm not mIsQra3Ea.
'Ehe Uggeat new buildirq wia BerajaaSn T%e !?heelerH a l l ,
XB am eatwm.tiixslly a sylvan aosnd wi# jusB a few
'EnJildin&bs, wf% Phe dxill $round where &ife 8~ianll?%
$5, Ismuon t33mnaa9t;ua where Waelle is,
Uesa8 	 This wraitls B
h
e
s r a a d vexsion o f Harmon E
C
y
m
r
x
a
s
r
P
m
?
Ww~+iere 	 Y ~ B ,tibt '
s righ%. ! h e ?%tan8 w
a
r
s au$ in half and
aaaved and EL BQOQIOXI pu* in be-tveetn %he have@,es
8haB 9% wen% t3srsuea;h Cwo a t q m , There ware a run-
n h g tratak rsllzlaqnd the reeetond floor,
e&pSe q ~ d I Q y ,
wiCb no gateo -- mybody c m l d
pmk QQ %;La@ aaipu~an;pl#Mrairsbmaus~%herew9ne RQ
ear8 Ba a p s e of. 1 ~e~~lltaxibe~ a
WU4reU Hayablea,
ir$end of mine who'a in worM%eeWeb
drove &@a?
o cmaasL$%,tit~or
Wee erne down m d a t hex OW in *a,
Baa them a 0 3 . e ~ ~
dietlns%ion betwaen the town
d the t3t%Q~&l? D'ld the OWE^ 6
1
C
P
8
l
U busy Up t 6 Qxfollld
Streat, a d then %he wide-open eampuie, or wae %he
Barn aor-b of iylvesr Chen too?
BYwclstoro Wt321, %hers
were, more trrree-nhatded stree-tm, and ls8re
o f rsh-le houee~,wMeh U
r
z
d QZ ,grew up a
a
s a
v@;anaeular
hem9 some done by w!ahitea%li~
and mms
no*r
Tn fa&, when the ;Pire t
s
m
l
s
r in 1923 and burned
up asixOly blockrs i n BorU Blsx&eZ@y
i% so
burned up
muoh mom Qhaa juet thooe wood-arh-led housatm; it
burned up a whole w a y 0% ZUa. %t burnecl up
mmuwar9pPs peogla herd works8 years an for Web
h&@w
8egre18 and far their gnblloatioaar and emry-
BBing elme. Nush more IefB $he araa 4&an the faoto
w01;1&d Bay, Xti w
a
f
d txak;~ic?. A geraon !sigh% have worked
BBWRB~PL 	 f o r 8 ~ 1 ~ ~ 4
bava %he w~rldw d ga%Be~sdt
b~ttrarbeloag2ng~thm %ha honae %ha8f ~ ~ r r o m d a d
them, %
'
h
e houaire t;k& #urrr;tuadne3d =%him
\t~ara alwayils
a ei~iglas%hirig, X had amarta~l
i
* sn Xawthorna
T~TSPICIa d *hey $ w d h8d Bime ta g@$ ouO of the
hoae6, moQ t o even tgcet s sqitaaoe tsg@%B~r,before
A$ juaQ w m t up, @aaak,Like thatc
%he atuden%s,who a w e very Oona of the
Q~~:s&orya
whaoe hotaae w
e have, went! up axid beat t
h
e
4
flmee o f f the roof o f %heWegory h
c
r
a
x
e
r
e aiOh wet
bLanb$e, ThaQi~
*he x@amon o w house xemetana,
!
&
e
m %h4 ~ o r n l ~ r hmeet, leaking down
of o w
over $he g l e l d ~
$0 Zl Qem?it;o slnd AXbanr Hill,
there warn' 8 ,aiw1@Boue.e. W~ry-thLng
ha#
g3?0wn up eln@cs*ha0 $We, the treeda ebad all,
Bicaeret 	 Hr, Pepper gofated ou-t that a houes $haat William
Bayfp dataigned on hsna V h t a strQl m$.o*e Bhla ~Eaar
nmko under %be EOO$ svawhwg.
88uratesr 	 Yea, that e righ-k, That's 8 nSos hotlate, up 8% the
W m sf %aria Viarta, faaAng sawn the etmi~3-b.
guide, that you did Bhe ZaSxodulrtion for,
P%4 yaw Maw the3?9*rsra 194i.bi1e Irastzae a@* t o Sleghen'a
[BBephen Beslggenr] w i t h s h t ~ e r f l y
roof thatf@ a
Itqheek, our $he csoraer 8he1e4 sf &&Q=? PBem thasevra
the beaukU"u1 q~~nlore66, oa &a%rbda tfbat
~ Q U I P I $
Maybcsek dYd POP Andy ljtilw~onin geology, @aml
r sexy good m$Lst, lfcvge %n$ha% haassrig now, I%aB i j e
y4W W$8e $ROU@~ Wid w@U'%Qed
@UX'IOUB BO Bee i f ,
a
3
.
1 yoacd need t o da Pas rfng the beell &xzd ~ a y
tha*
goatre a friend a9 aAna a134 you eonZ4 Bee %he houas.
A
r
n
d ian1-t %hepera houm ~n Baen82 Vf~iiaaaeffe~rea
%s
a
r
a the S w k House?
Tea, thatte en %he oQherosraaar of ZaZIorna, and wha%
EayBeok lid th%z?e
w
a
s
p he Bipp@deaoka Sn weti asmen%
euad %hen nailel %hem up arnd ebasn %beyW8(4neU sulC
arfed an4 tkia beowae the ouQsPde wall o f the house.
IB*Iwonderful, 41hough beomme itq@
M a d m in %he
%reteaterribly you have Bo @limb i n 80 ilia
Haw old w
a
a
t Maybeck when you were a ~BI8nderathere9
e a , He aied tat 95 fn 1957. Be would have
&OU% iif%r*
Were	 YOU G ~ O O B%O him'?
T knew Ted Spenctez verg we12 who worked f o r him.
0
Wuxae%esr %9yoatpa &in& a Maybeck az-tf ale mytine you ~bfijuld
%dlk t c Tad Bperaa@r. Ba'a an woh%t~eti
in B
m Pxm-
dlwo. Ken Cardwall 9s sanbtrher man an our fa~sulty
wlno is &air&a book on Iaybetsk.
P
h
e
s way Naybeak 80%retr;ar%et?
here was ...Mwbeak
W ~ B
abonL %tht~%y-+w~
yewe OX& in 1884 when mimebody
met Mrn on %he a%reetone and ads, #YOU b o w
wme.q:hfzq &Boa$ drawing, d d t youVn* Be waa *hen
Won&% in t o teaoh deacriptivs geometry and weM-
t c e s t w d desiw?ktna he w&ie further gulled in qt2icUy
when Vre, Bsesrsltr a m e in 1896 with her propored for
a nrin;en6J; baf24ing ae a mermorial to Be2 hursrband,
bo 1
: pn* my building?* she wket9.
9+ wa9 Maybtsek then who oooked ap hhe whole
internatfond competi%ion, Re was ~ Q O
young to
take *he planu%ng all on hinaelf, you see. And he
a@$esd, eta really great people do somst;hsa, rAsin$
abam $he heights of psraonal gatn far %hagaoQ 02
the Qaule, and his cauas waa the g ~ o d
sf arckl%eotu~@
133 %he Dnlv~rf~ity.!
!
!
h
e %hathe never was
ciaiglofred by the, lh3,v~aaity
w i l E always be a Black
9

80r fill ~ e ~ d o t e
@eeCaliixnia Non-bhlg, April 1954,
p* 2 0 Y
W W S ~ ~ V : 	 n
w
J
E aa, Of ~QUX-B%
he w a ~
an
a&&1~@% E $
h
i
&
.
soaen8rics in hire own w@y.
A% %ha psi218 wharr, Barmmd 9efP;z~iled
Po %one and e m
09%
hie pZma, eW8n@8
Tdaybeok laken over?
Vaa %hi4@VBP 8it pordbbli%$?
W%re+ert	 T
M
s
r i@nlt my knowledga -4 X have nrs $Bea,
Be eb~arentially
w- a fcfm believer hia own
gual.ities, Rg w m q B bmbJ.e a* all, h
a
% be &Leo
dSdnwDbelieve ssl$~(~xp~o&88tion,
awld h@ never had
a P ~ Q ~ U F Q
taken of mything he Waa doing, So ny
howle&get, A l l the pub15c%%y that haara adme
t ; ~
him hasl coae ex%arntkLZy,1
2
0
%in$ernall;g, lhirs
is my bt,pre~sion;3 dont$know i-ti a~ 8 faat.
Aggwen$lg he waes happy t o do :,xuall houe4e~for
people, -boo,
W
w
r
s
t
e
r
r
r	 Ha i s the one who sat up on Che hill wiQhrnce one
dtzgy m d said, '%kc
'flpux~ter,
what hav6 X $V@F done t o
1 S ~ e
in all tMs beauty? And you dont%hew g t ~ ~ p l e
leafing %hatwho are demanding the gluehy +hhingksin
Zif9 ,
ZC1.srer $ried in my own w
a
y t o be bate~6est& in
all pha@s@,
no matter how modeat; my o f f b e $till
doe@hibehen remadeling, along with doing %he Golden
W~~rsOert	 6-a~~~0ay
and e ~ e t ~ ~ y $ h i ~ g
@la@, W$r 8.0111 ~ a 3 1
make
money dafng $he aahmpX~o%
kindl of thing# m
c
?put-
ting a11 OUF %a~b111%~
$0 use, TQva eaPwaya believe4
in hbE~rand ,Ithink I t m y stem STOR&, Meybe~B.
X donq% think many people do mdsl?a$and $ha-tr each
8 large fim is wiZlPng %o do OBfs,
Wurertcexo	 Well, wa're, %he only on0 that: dotea, FLeugh%ngj
Oh, so 701.1
Q ~ F %
book at the door af just my
f%mnt o have y o t r ~kitshen done?
Wureterr 	 HQ, they'a pmbdbly &rayno,
ROWme %he o ~ d Q a m m
era and man l i k e Iaybeok
and Grsene Be Gxrssae re'Ssa%sdS
#twert;err 	 1 think a great; d d of: %hias@rafLmm
f h h g
agrang from Lhefx conariottons, ~cmehowd l arm
grea% develogmmf. ftqsa1way~1
surpxiaing how
the wcorld swings I n t o action simaltmeously on
things. The Hobel Prise people aften diacovar they
just gain& by a man-kb on, reromeBsdy elate 8obng it
in aaolher plaee. Xf there is eb given need fox
eomofhing l$qllbe fomt3, That's true In architecture
aa weU a
l
e my$hing elras. There atas a need t o go
bask $ram tbe fusay, int;ricato! Vfcztcrrlan things, to
Ohs plain things, and the craftsmm era a d %he
-
Boyar~itersa d &I tho~e%hings jns$ earn@v e ~ y
eaedly,
Roger Fry did *The Ot%~man
ern& $he gllhatnof
[ih Virsi~nw
d D,@aimj
aad he prophe~lt~4
by 4lzra
r@aBEO~bg
that every fii.ty yeareg there w
m
J
,
d
l be a
oyola -- %ha% t
5
8 wovld take about f S 9 - b ~
yettse .lis
brhg back the things %ha% y
o
z
z &Bed, C~aughtsrJ
tJharlemr Kaele~dfd a book e a l e d $he,8fm~Xe
Hans, or aonsfhing l i k e %ha%, in 3hs ewly gems,
right ~ o a d BnB a poaS who lived
hexe,% hs waa
.lap On The u p 3 a d ~ ~ Baybeak m o t @ % Q ~ ~ % ~ B X O
Wid h@ and
It talks about d l t k a e different kinds o f %Nags,
was ia.tereets4 in whe-thez?B
h
@@reen@
rmd @reenas
csn Pisaraon*, the pxe~en*8%- FM house, was a
pr$va%e~esidermaoback in 1913, glnd whether yout8
been i n ~ i d s
58,
'Yes, %ha% Belonged $6 Iha~aen. ]C went %a my fixas%
pm%yat the Vniver~itgfin that house! given by a
f~ieot~ That house
af Thox~en'rswho lived with him*
had rei gmcs room in the lowar floor, witk fluah
seillxq light^ l.n i$ -- 3.n 1913.
he Sim~le
Hgw, Paul Elder, 1904.
IB %hat 8ha ho'tase you talk about In fhia pmpUe%W
No, 28 f~n*-k. !#ha%
was a house ~ b a v eLf wh50h
was don@by &neat Coxhead ant!! i t t e on %becornex of
Cayon b a d -- 15 Csm;3r.~n
Road, right thepa fox all
t o flee today, 09 oouree Che atstdiwn qwdite apoilet
i9. B f e t %hare by 8he ataditm, wi*h a great, h
w
l
e
xatiaini~gw a l l , a d a p e ~ g ~ L a
on top of %ha wtalL,
brown ~hiagle
.
Another good clrd*smlstn boulee that emcapad %he
firs was the one Naybeak did up on 'H;aelar Avenue?
fox $Be Whitineya. 1 went *here aa a fre8Wan in
1913 %o Bee i.0 -- it W ~ B
h i L % in about 1912 T
ahould think -- and 1 aaw a table that was on wkeelar
so that you ~ ~ ~ t l d
wheel rtght inBo the kitohan after
eaoh course an8 so r
e
r
m
r
s
v
s
s all Ohe u a d diahee fxom
in front of tihe gueatsa,
I natfoed $hat t h q were uerimzg grata8 cloth as wall-
covesing then, I had thought that was a quite
modern riders,
Oh, it wae in a11 the early houass. And I wouldn't
be wxrprlaad if! thia cams f ~ s m
a decorator by the
name of Viekexy, ABkinra and !Porr@y. They were realXy
*"A Pr3~aaand.Vsew, by W i l l i a m I
. UOz1~83%ax,in
RPameello Arc!hitsc%ureof tihe S
m Francfsuo Bay
Region," S
m &aciraso B
B
t
n
s
e
u
m of Art, 1949*
eionsl w h f u r e , no% just a sfoxe ealling thsfz
gooder ,
F Q ~
f!un, what would you oon~itb2to bs your five
Pavoritt~ben~kalesyboutaretsss?
would 'Is@ $be Lzrav~orahowa by Tfiaybeak over here
at 1525 &a~oma,that eonoxafs house tbaL Nmay
Goma lives h
. Tbfa houas would be one [1459
Greenwood Tarra@e], T would say thaB Ir, E~ward'e
old house that W ~ t l t e ~ in would
l!U~mis
Bart liverla
be one, BntI %he old NcDuffie hoviee done by VtBi21is
Polk in a 8pa.ninkgT fashion %ha% %he lonehmshsa
lAvs Itw now, over on RobLs Road [Bo, 223. And then
f b l [ l ~ a a Rmdo3phta School, by Pr, Pdaybe~k, would be
one, on the aorner of Derby etnB Balrose; I t ' e a
lot 09 steep-rsofe8 little houses gut together,
and it uaed to be an 014 ~aho01.
-
Travel, Career,. ad a Ph3l0~0~b;g
W
h
a
t did you do after graduation from aollsge?
In 1919 X went %a John Beid's t o wosk for a year
with him. I waa gablag e~xperielaoehn draf82ng,
though it wm gr&*y a L a ~ et o an offlee bay jab,
$25 a month.
&id %hazei
%tha%my queer-tion of doubt
v
t
r
r
e
z
a
and momsat of deapalx e m @ , bscanae T looked
around the office and saw Bhs men who were! Bhsre,
and I
: dida'ts w a n t to live in %ha% kdnd of a niche
so I told ny i~wnZX$ I Wac *hinkiw ~f l@ming
arohi%ec.t;rzrs,
and I went t o W,b.J. Sloma and
asked %hemabout rsIzaZling, and I went and Oalked
%o somebody ab0u-b law,
But %hen, Ilk@ a l l theae Bhings, I was offered
a wonderful. job in t?;wramen%o,
and enough money t o
keep body andl ixml $oga.trhsx, which w ~ s
8hfa job for
Ohmlea Dean on a filtra%isnplant. So I noved t o
Sacranento and %hi@ was an open dour f o the next
axp~rienceg I aawd $$,QOO in Wo yearss m
a I went
%a Burope,
How did you b we $4,080?
1 d i d littrle extra job8 on %Be ou%side, two hota~ses.
One waa for CZmencs Bxeunsx, one of the f i v a
Bmunar boys in %he firnfBure bu;k~imle~la,I bad known
him in osllege, we were in %Be sane fxabemity, and
X hiad mad tio v%@%*him a% home i n Sa@rmen$~
~ W F -
3ag aehlege, ?he @%her house w
w SQX Qmxmll 

G m l . q ? , x
a
y suuri~tn,s$o in Pa04 s 1 8 i X l live8 ther~, 

42 yemar 1aBw. 

Them you did beiagoxrrs you weper regit~tsrad? 

Ye@, Ithaugh 1 asu15d snEy sail rnyael.9 "detafgna~,*~ 

Tn Cbe asa~lbfsaeI leaxnsd about how you did
big jols, I got $he job on the Sae~rsunen%o
W
r
a
0
e
r
Piltreation Plant through Ohmlee Bilaim Hyde, a
o@nsultisg engineer, They put me in the field l o
inspeat, aa I witched the oans$rua%lan phase, My
fxlend Gsoxgss Balder wag up %bere ae fits18 engin-
eer. He w
w f~em
m old friend of my i ? ~ ~ t i b y ~ @
Stsokt;on, tmd he Utinmtely rnmhe8 ny m~fher~ar
aou~4.n~People f r ~ m
8Z;saMan -- my wife i s eurnzwad
by Ihe faat %ha% a 1iLt;Le I r o n L&a that wo8
actually like a thread %ha&goes through a l%fe~-
% b e . I waB givez 4ha Yarba hens Ulub Bs Bo, &a
I asrid, becauesle !%.rase
Q~saker
waa tatzghB by my am%.
Thie imtt quit@ ae 8Sreot a@ a l l %hat, there were
many shade^ and shadows, but thls wan l i t e r a l l y
$he $ M B ~
that 80%E I ~onto i B . Oh, admirers would
92 woe my ab599ty %ha% got me onto It, hsuB I ' v e
@sen~llnny
pe~lg3ewI%h labiliOy who dsrzlt gel3 i t 4
Z beIi5~ethca~ei e a lot of aoiradidernae iwolve8.
, k d ym wen* t o BIZTO~EB
i n 19227
Ye@, in 39Q2 z
a
$
%
m
woxUng %wo yema 2 had aave4
ap #IQ,000ma 3 $ask gone of it and wen* t o Bwope
fez? a year m
i
3 BP t U d , &b0u8. Z wen%thinklag X
would go in%& 8 p d a Bs g@tibiBa and pisears of mahi-
Bseture whioh I seuld wdsaseta, h 6 Ina%ercs8.~f
%ha% 3 threw away all %he @aide Beoka, m03e ox Pess,
an4 txPed t o $e8 hold of e~ooialbooka o f the B h e
o f w h m thee% buil~&n$@ whett ~srumd%hem
were
Bo be clan@jlri euob a way, rathex %ha% ju18 eeeing the
t~vldsn~e
Q$ BBes, 3%ahmeed sy wlaaZe pain%of view
fram one of eolaec'0ic ald.11 *o mah more xtia a%&smp.t
at g ~ d ~ a a t l a J ,
b ~ w l & i & e a
%habooks you had gotten in mchitiact;uae hie0or-y
@ourmeawere jus* pia4mresP
We 3
n
m
B hsd FleQohax, just 8 eompsndixm of Zh9ng~.
kit I %riedt o Pindl QUO a Xit-kle b i t about t b
h2srlt;02y of the Qirrae by get8i;ag hold of EngUah
book8 in BIJT 4zaveZs aa bas@*X @ o U d so that I would
Ifsegen my knowledge wouldn't jjue-b come bask witih
W
A
t
h teaohjlng today T'kl %
h
i
& t k B waUd happen
au~t;oma-bisaUy
ThaVa righ*,
W k y had you beafz htmrrasted in Sp&&n
pw%trdoulw3.yT
W$21, QW ~lbna%a
and h%s%ogy there wae so ranah
tba* made i t like CalLSoraSw,
J: wa8 traveling wi%hs friend who graduaterdfrom
S%Word, m
d 3
3
6 webfan*%
snri e%rohitesture~tudent,&nt
he am 8% bsaWwr of aase 02 my frdendia hem at %he
B ~ S V ~ X B & % ~ *
Be d S a F tosem t o be i b ~ d i a g
hi1stb32,
a$ %ha% $ b e , m d ao hiss parsrate let h;la go abroad.
He auueatsied eornfng aad jainiag up w9.0b ae, awRa I
s&d he oould; if one thing w ~ u l dbe und$re%aod,
%BatT had a esrtab goal etdfd aZs@i@n,
so if we
would 1) not go together awing the day eo that I
wouldn*t be in haste whe~eL wanted t o linger, and
2) thect 1; waa BQ %he 8eai&?iion
when we mb'~@d
OP
swrd when we &;tdnl%,
%hen X w
w
r
o
a
l
.
d love lit3 have his
aampaay. And ae, i t s s t ~ e d
%hatway3 la%eran w~
grev aLe~er%ag@tihe~
beaasuss we laad taken ear@not
t~ have g r i a t l o a ~ZEa.rb, l!zave&A~g
fa vwy h81Sd an
$rla&arhSper, y~tzknow,
A fwmr tth- ...be atad I were I n Capri a% one
--
W l e t e ~ t goln3 -- 9% w w t
h
a
b and o f a laow, @old wfn.&ez in
ff&y we wanted t o $ee the Blue @xsOto, 5%
be9ng sne sf the f a m a tunge one gose $0 a m , ao
we employs8 a b~atmendo Gake u@, but we were a
1itBIe +oo shrewd SsJ. o w bwgainlng an8 he fook
nB OW i4f0 the m d a~npedrza in, C~i~lugbterl
W
e odly had tBse aXo8heo we had on# w@ had the sera*
a l l letored in XapX@e, arsd 80 we had no.t;hing atis
0h-e to. And it w
a
b
a a
z off Beason sa the holed
WELEI eager to ha.$ I I ~ )a d t h ~ ) ~ "The
kbpB W L ~ ~ W ,
oLoDhea went%d ~ y . ~
We pent f a ~ r
daya in beQ!
Baseporta, paper money, wi~twafokiea,e ~ s ~ ~ n g
a @oddenm@se after %ha% swim baa$ Oo shoae. It
~ e m e d
ue ria%,
though, for being too penurious.
CZaugh4er3
$ietaa : 	 5% wskan't a 3uxu~law~o
OrSp you were t;&ing?
Wuratext 	 OhS no, vexy nradewb, Indeed, we, stayed a% modesf
glaoes, %ravel-g ae~ondand third o l a ~ s
in Ohe
train@,did everytrh%ng
very sdmply.
@sing back ls ninute, can you renenb~r,hn your
y~a-ra,
hers ZM aehool, m y ohangee taking plaore bm
your though$@and ieslings abouB wha% be~olla%ng
an
mohiDeot was? Chax~gceafrom what; aighB h a v ~been
a romatio go&% of view p a Irrigh.t; have head as a
Qlslwes?gm~mn.
T ~ a g p ~ d e I ~hatlgsdwore %ban praotg-
I n d ~ l l e ~ % u ~ l l y
cj&3ly, a~ far aa I can .bell, By SatmrLly were a1waya
aorri@d -- 3 think T told yau -- thss* I didnfO have
fzimde, and 8h9y18say, n Y B Y Q ~ ~ $
~ ~ ~u@de@d ar%.~hou%
frfsndamn And X1d aay, #Zf12do a be-ktss job wid
then they'l.1 cam $0 seen YQQ am1% motwe a younger
person w h o l ~
so en;rra of' himaslf.
I b o w X astlld never have suooeedsd 51 S~ooWan
where I gsew np bgf~~auae was the~e
W O F ~ given ~ I Q P ~ B
%oo auah on $he basts of fel2ow w d J . me$,"
Vhexeae %he woxk i# s larger pZaae goes t o %he
fallow who a ~ Pe ~ me more people
goo6 job, and there
who me willing t o pay POF A%. They ?mclerst;md$he
ghsyment f o r ~ezvieeamore in a larger plaas bs~auae
money f a not quits as hard t o corn@by,
Of a3UFsa O
h
r
a aemad then is upon yon to greentsnt;
youreelf, Is$ yourself be known.
Tb-b 'a right, The pex~onwho -- l i k e all things,
everybody gstra Bhis in one fom OF ma-bh~r
-- %he
o h a b of sventa that catapnllz yaa i n t ~situa%io#a
m
n
n
s
r like tMs:
I went t o Europe in 1922, ems baak an6 ~apglied
for a job in New York in 1923, got 18 %aoas a% the
f u r ~ t s s t 	be#$ oificae that w
a
a
s doing big bsurses, Delano
& Al&iah, and Bhea want &own mad 3.1ve8 wSth Gbes
people [the, DeJ.mos] beoauee I
: ttlboraa Bheiz? bag,
ant4 ha8 ab nmslloue r
a
r
w
t
n
m
e
r
, m d then a w e Wea.&,an4
I
sane lady 	fzoa Sang I s l a d by $he name of Elisabwbh
%Ilia hemkt 0% me t;hrou& Nr, Dslmo a
t
3 sko ~;9%3ntl
for ms to 	
came and see her here in Btpxkelaty.
Than @he'd go out $0 dinner psrrtiae and 8he
oarrlecl all. $ha weight of her ws@lthand hex Long
Island connacrtions WQ shs Baw Ir. Nortimer Flelsrh-
haakrrtr wnd ehs srwZA9 'Vhy don't yon give Bill Wurster,
a young wohiteot X h o w , a job?" JtBx, P;Le;iahbaaker
givw me, a job for his 8avghImx when a l l the other
~ ~ k l t ~ c t ~ for f-&,
in 1931, m d 9 g e t
p ~ t h ~ g
it a d it 	
works well and Bhsy still give me their
buildixqp 	to deerign, 2hexe you are, It d l r
s
%
m
r
e
froa one pereon, But it takeoa o p&*roa 09 @one @or%
t o open the door to your opgor-hnity, and then you've
gat %amakc good,
8fears: Do you think i% would be h a d m to f i n d tihat kiad sf
ai.t;ua*Lon t h e e @aye4
wuzra%ers 1% would be in tb;i~
wsry besaua~Ban Praneiseo is so
~~dmixed
and so forth %ha%, fox instance, you have 100
appLi@a%iona
Bo feaoh here. 1%'~
~vw-a,r~hitea%ed,
hf wy%hing, Competi%Son i s 3 v e ~ y
keen.
Arid awn't aome officere ao big the ossainr-kaszta sight
be unknown t o Bhs pmtaera?
Perhaps, but in thoee days Z s%fllhead %ha sarole
inquisitive mind that I do now and I believed in
uerfain kina^ of things. When I was in New Yark
Bhoae boys were kind of despondent and no% gel%-
along, m 8 I organized tours t~ look at houaoa out
i n Long IelBnd, asked permietaion of the boss t o go
on Bundays t o look at houaos df the people weren't
liv- in them. Nr. Delano thought this was aa
interelsting thing to do, in faet he gave me ra per-
sonal tour himself, zmd then T a-bayed the night and
met his family, and next thing 2 knew I was offered
that job of tutor* his boy, Later he gavo me,
enough money to 8tar-t my own. o f f b e ouO here. J u ~ t
like tiha*.
What did you mean about $he others being dasponasnf?
They f e l t the mechanfce o f evexyt;Mng getting in
their way, and they were never seeing m y of %he
jobs that they worked on, and I just fslt tha$ by Organ-
izing we could do it,
'I 
 whose hause a@ &ow Z$VB in sand who beawe a
n
y me@% 

I hawere in the Santa C m a a o ~ ~ a i m very
which w
s
r
a
e
I fmoa@at ibs tine, hilt in 1927, it got prisea
ev~sywhere,
That houm Slluetxated that if ~ o u
w a n t ts do
omall work Ilks a omgentex, do f
"
E
;
t
r
r
r
f
%
hgood I ~ E I Q ~ ,
so iS doesnO.tilook mchi.beaa+rstI a8 all, There W Q T ~
good 8se3siom made.
Dbee f;Bia carpentier approach ~csprersrenLan appxs8eh
in mcMtsctura aidlm Bo the er&tssnm home?
2hey wouLd both be in the ea%egoryof .the importance
of' the everyday %king, %hat i a , %ha.% twti dssanlt
ne~easarilya a n ~ i s tof reao6e %hinge by dead persons,
a r t oanaistw of lively thing8 done with objects you
use every day, That '3 the whole breakthrough that
Che kssm o f Nodern &t took advantage of aftex
the dsprsseion.
Can you rsmeraber what it wse about d o b g axahitaature
that reallg appealed t o you?
It was the alslanlinesa of the wood, I mcpeot9 at the
wBaX*.
60
Zhe 03eanlineas of *ha wood?
Wurslasr	 Yea, how St i
r
a so fre~sha% the beginning, and it
~mellseo niw. Oh, a d gradaally f began t o sense
sax@ sad more aomstihing *hat becmc a part of my
own philo~ophy,%hat9ha import=% Ching in arehi-
teoture -- and $his soundla Serxlbly grastentioua
mil I don't mczan it to be 9- i r s the idea, and what
good it 3s going +s bs, and who iL affects. Tf a
person i s e f e a t e d by a good i d e s then i%'~a
r
a
important as if 13 were sad@ of' bronze, marble,
stone, and aveqtking else. fit the more permanent
I t is the moxe it weigh-he humanity down, like Chjn@~e
cemeteries. X think thaf papier machi ia a good
material if it does %he work fox the job, Xtta the
idea that countsp that an;liv@nolife.
N a y yema ago aomeone s a i d $0 me, ttYau get
lota o f stuff published, Why do you publish a thing
like that house down on the coal%? (Thfs ~ O U B QWBB
a house Ttd poured my heart into and i% bad ~ a v e dz!
rnant~
life because he had had a great breakdown =d
in doing this house he came Lnto his own, he and his
wife, They alwaye were very gra%eful. It vaa a
f ma ti s @SPYhall --9% &$%84;~4the lives &f geogl6,
x OX BhWXiiab~, 02 buil&$w#
OR thio
OklEaBUre m
&
h
W -
1 003~ l ~ m )
j.0 &Q~BB~'"$&@
diffexenae. !The itha o f the i d o l fa the awes.
%baa: W
w
e you dLwaylsr 4appy wilSh pmx ds@lsrioaabout a
8€&3?@@r?
Wure.ti@zo !The s a y 8oubt m e a%*he end of ay ~011egel i f e
d t ~
I was W Q S ~ JOM asearn %bat~ i i i a *
W
-
dour Seot%%arlaand em~t,
and J o b R&d wa@a
vwy B o w Sootigam* and it wraer anly %
l
a
m X
had s &aub%. ~ t m g h % @ x ]
Above, t h e o f f i c e s t a f f : W i l l i a m Wurster,
Theodore B e r n a r d i , A 1 Day, B i l l Rice, Hob
Deshon, A r n i e Kartwold, J o s e p h Johnson,
Fred Langhorst, ---,Donn Emmons, and Fred
B a r s s , 1939.
Below, W i l l i a m Wurster i n h i s o f f i c e , with
A a l to-designed f u r n i t u r e i n .the backgroixnd.
RLeJlse
t 	 W
h
m you same baok fitom 'Europe how did you get
your office astwtetPt
Wuxs8ert 	 A t %he en4 of %ha$ two yema I bad doas &leven j~baa
OT $OF frorat a hatel ~ o o n
4
.
a Perksley, a
r
a in 1926 1
:
wf my offfee up in fhe Newhall Build- in Stan
l?rataeiseo, The f%;l~er.t a m m who h e w
employee was
lea@than I did, and %hi@ di&i1t work tesrfbl$
w d X , so Bhe nmc% eap'Loye@
W ~ B Ia who h e w nuah
more Chm X did, Bawd artme fxom a very Imawbg
off%@@ (Weela dk Day whiah had worked oa the Mark
Hogldnra), and Ma name wsra Playd CQmsstock. He
beeme my iLrsG sea117 offiaidl employes, He did
beautsiful drafliing and raigcssifdsation wrrltlxq, And
then &, Wfakenden, who $8 @till there, ome Pn
1931, Theodore Bexmxdi @mei# 1934, Dom&mom
Sm S
L
9
3
7
, So the oificse, hi%@ @own gratdu&lbyr, Now
8h~b~d~ tblae parbnarer, and 8% a%lleoci&%es.
9hat
?&waee,partner8 -- P r a alxkyr-81even, an8
Bhe ~ l d t e e k ~
EheqBore Bernardils.the n e d , sigh% yews youwssr,
of u
a
r make a Br%ri@$ern, and m
z offlae Beam.
BSerast Haw d3d %he 4epxasaabozz &Pwa$ things in your ~ e w
o$$isef Did you have t o let m y mployeee gay
War#%atrx	 byand 1 ~3we.r
8t~ppetiworkbig. During %he degre~-
$ion Z was oaa of %ho%e $ortunate b s w a who had
work @I1 $he time beooauae I h d been doiw aimplt~
hauses for wea-bhy peboplar,who founid it a vaexy advan-
fop Wsm, t o uaa labor a%t U o Bad $ h e , and when
$he$ took %he bids on the Dk- !Bhs @&dB the
@ ~ n t r a ~ ~ % ~ r ,
nPJ~w, Mr. 3asae%t, are t a l l tbtsae mion
w&ge817"
And he m i d , Wh, rro* &vise Paaerztley. You don't
neetl $6 pay tibat a% t U e tin@.@
She eaiA8, OW mu~h
more would it @oatua to do
i-b with un;lon w a g r s ~ ? ~
"FQIW ~~~~~ aoumo 1433%
A
r
r
i
d ehe 8&6 2 "We'l1, PW f*r " I Q ~ ~ W W S
like %O
ra6tmber %ha% atop$, 1% bearBa~ame that people
~ ~ d l y$ha% ~ t p ~ h .
Yaar offSaetswozk w
m eMefly howaerp $hen,
Pear
8aw aaay pwples weam 3.n youp ofiioe in 3929T
&&uL f0W'.
Did you get %hisjob for k b , Maaauley through this
am8 aert%@
of cromaaatfona wfth Eliaabeth 3131aT
Ye,.
Bid the fact%4P *he depreeafon etm%you thinking
=ore ixi $ems o f pJ- and en~%romenta;l
design?
Ve31, i
%
Bid b x h home %he inportanem of the wary-
day thing, idam rather thm heavy weight@ upon the
W Q F ~ ~ * Bhe a g l i ~ h air John
Sou know, ~ a h l 3 s ~ t ,
Van Bmgh, who did great thtngar like B1enhei.m whiuh
ie Rw1bar0'1 plaae, hie epiDaph is8 %la heavy o#
hinb oh ear%h,for he h a lapff many &t heaq thing
upan theeem [Laughter]
Glfae the 2eLerreris a~~ethjzze5
tha% ems ou% of the
fa@% sf %he depres~ion?
Sw, 18 did, it @BP~(IIOUB Q$ a group of yot;USg@rmen,
oh, a geeraaxa$f on below me, and I he3ged back i h oat3
W4911, theze WBB an awmeneoa o f a ohaageover t o
the Sot& iitnvirorxment aula they did a baa$-up erhow
a+% the @an F ~ & ~ I c ~ B @ Q wan a
Iwem 02 ArbfT. AIl& P$
WOIILCI~SAS~~
4te15iag thing* ~ayizxghe~t
i~houldbe
doma aboui~plmr~lag? P b * was 1938 ox 1939, and
ab@a$1943 or 1944 I @mabat@&
fim H,E,E. g
u
n
d X
looked mound in aaton%$holm%;
hers were a11 Bhe
smne geeples having a~so~ogltliffhed
what the$ wanted Ba
b v e dona $0- yews eslkli@!,
Whex+ wars %hey working7
Oh, vasisurs glaeest, in glanniq jobs, azahite~twe
jobs, 'but all ~f them M-bh a bent %@wardbet;%sring
the wh~leenvbommt,
Did thekr fdem soas an% of their sohaoling?
Xt came out of rebellion, mostly, sgainet the
Beam &?$I~ 3 ~ 3 %
em of Bh81 10ho01 here whi~h
l a i d i
t
r
s
s$re~~a archaic forms,
~n 

Did %heyever work ~ E Jan affZlZatasld group, Zike The
AroBiiteoOsr' Collabora%i'setP
W
w
~
*
t
i
e
r
s 100, f B wara w nuah h1:gm group, ma moh more diffurse,
If never ooneti.ttuC~4an of?!i~e.
Wurstera 	 Tha$la righ%, It w
a
l
e
r a very unseLSlsh thing; it w
a
r
e
as% for f%aelf, i P i wa8 for the good of %ha cf.t;y.
daok Kent, @a @ r@su2Bo f it, ber~arneuSBy gl-er
for $an FrernaPserts 8%%he age of fh2rtp
W w 11mIItw kind 61 thing happening i n o%hw p w t ~
of the sou~txye5.nrtzl%aureouelfl
Wwrrterr 	 Bot in quife as markad a degree. 3an brmcilaoo Cakes
eaexylihiag Bo heart. W
h
e
n they have mearlesl .ts8ey
have wome maasXse, [Lavgh-berJ
And $he dapr@elaian, 1929, br0ugh.t; a halt fo %Be
aigrationar t o Rew Yosk officers, t o o l
Wu~srter
o	 Peg, ti ha*)^ right, IasBeetd the yowg grdua%ete
went t o saneone whom work %heyadmixed, whose
produet Chey admixed, And it mad@no &iffemnos
whwce they weprs.
Then X @uppose one o ~ u l d
wsrk for the grovescment,
sr the WPA,
sf old Montereg hau~ee~ Q T
%he WA, w h i c h w
a
l
s making
8rurae2,rr I doant know h ~ w
~ h a i r ' w r uo w i e d out, hu. X$br$~~y
B m ia ar aramlii o f WPA days* aorB 9
6
1
5
,
0
0
0
Z t o ~ i 3 ~
Z23~mcif
ally, $0 you.
W
h
a
t IBQOUR~B OF my ~ e & a r l % r i5 that 1 didra' 8
doubt OX gaxeation w ~ % b m ,
w
i
t eo m m y pssgle did,
beoau~csths gxoblleaa were kept f~osn
mec I
'
m no2
proud of it, X w
m keg3 tte;r;p busy with $ab@fox
people who ~ o u b d
'tserild aud taka advm-bags sf l o w
@oatsat Chs + b e a t the deps%o@fon, S waa aeallng
wS%hthe know, an& 1 didn't have time $0 pendier the
m k n ~ w p , ?here w
m every xeQaroa to doubt our whole
s~ononiaeystriua in th08i~a ~ p r t ~ ~ i o n
day@-- when
%hex@
wae food for tavsrysne, buQ pesplt~were afarrvbg
-* bu* I didnr%, dtuzd 5 hol4 it no virtue. Beaaueae of
the buepe@sI did^^% kmve t
i
m
a
@
ts endw h $ o
~&Bertrae*
theory1 the e
s
;
a
@ $02 ins%moaa, in
z
m lea;D@r,
the I~Gm%hy the doub+t;slmy
4ay8 I
: 8idn1Drsruffex
fr$cender did,
la%ms&ohusse$%e
IBHB&.$U%@of Ie~hwlogy,~ Q Wof$1oe
navedl frm QaLSfaxniaStreet $0 Jaokeon Btmeetb
W
w Bhexa I
' b i m ~
%hemwhen *he offlais waa oloetard
~6Zllple&tBly?
'WTurs-bero	 En 1943, the y e a 5 wen* Bs Hwvard, I ret~tedagaae
a% 409 Jekeolli SB~ear* m d nope4 my fluxnit?ave
offioe sgnipmen.fr 4h@re, and T 1e% anybody have Bhaf
spaae 1 wsYate4 %ken t o have i$ frea, but *hey
insisted UFO& paying penti foc $3, eo S dldntP;damte
any more fifLan tiha I m p e ~ %
~f having tiha4 argaee avafla-
b
8
2
6
. b t for a yew all men who wosksd in *he oifioe,
m y nen_wh@
worked isa %he of3?l.oe, had a JOB, ~ o u l d
hate fat%@
-- X f@lB I owed the p s ~ g l s
who ha8
been worktng wiCh r
a
e %hire8%lsaa.t;, %bough%hey
hsiaOad sa paying me.
Wo$ $3 &n1944 thaat rou besame mown as Wurstex,
Bernard$ & Bmans~?
no; in 1944@ a man who waa hetad of Sheman Clay
osrjlled me and wd3ztOed me .dro do a eanorete buildrtng
for ?&a in OalCtmB, aml 3[ @alXedTheodore Beraardf,
who had Song been ;La my ofiiae, for ten yearre, stnd
#aid to h a , We'llLdt yoa ISLe to be pw.tO~ezs
an *hiafR
At ns@done by Wmejtasx & Barmw&i, And %hen we
wefi* alarag for abmt a yeax w%il1949, until %he
and 0
3
B *he W W r DORU WXWW
WUIB) h a k
PhaoQ6rca~
@a21@d me on@ ezw1@~
Yonday mrrxing a d a d 4
$ha% id waa~too nuah for him t o my a
r
9 Dean lhaa
coma&baok and eaamd %abe JasB $he perejon Par
t o ask t o be *Be khird p m b n e ~in $ha Fim. Vb
did, and *at ' a how St beoms WwaCer, Bexnmdi 4h
hnane. They ha& d
l been thevls *- %Iheag>dsre
ginas
1934 and Sonn rshae 1957 so we all h e w elatoh o%hes.
h-
2hen slnas Besnmdi would have worked on $ha% 3eb
d-bh you anyway=, p;t.ab$rbLy, why ea-b this p o b f 828 you
make fi;LHI 8 P~TCOQWO
~scause1 wa@off A.R Lhe Bas*, $
2
2
6
1 1 didaqb %hink 9%
won3.d be groper to e m $ 14 undw my name when 1 --
a d arsywq, I .bhought r
t
t all ovt and X like Phe idea
sf taha~ing$hinge and S t seam4 to ~ Q J
itfa wsxklrsd
that way, weeve div-ided our Burden@in Bhirda and
trebled o w jsya. Ittls a vary gcrinpg crtoae%sn,$IBO-
tianally and 8uboCmtivelyc
Zqve aLways believed in qliS-bS,ng the pro%i%~,
I Wu~eBest oiafee, Che yt~rr
befora l a d , they saWally scMh
Well, you aes9 we three pmtnsra awa the buaiaeae,
a d we have mxe~ngewen-tm
w1.t;l.L aux a h junior peog3.e
%ha$we give trhean o oartain gereen8age of the
grofft. &d the profite were %a good %hatp e r r %hat
it came Bs thaC muah money, W
e reeail1;y ~houl8n~t
have gdven anybody qal$~je%ha* mu#&, 3%achould have
Barn a@re newly $20,000 and then the $8,000 ~hould
have gone in far f $ f i a ~ i n g%kt3effioe and ~ h a n g ~ e
and thiag~lSke tM$,
no8 aeeB by ura ei9her. &a6
a& didat$ do 1% that way, a d AD lefB us quite
at~Lgpe8.
I've alwaye ha4 the theory Dhayt an office ~hoolcl
b@ a plaoe of great hope an4 $mat joy euad grea-b
olseLnge an4 peaat -- never e~ucirhedby Bhe per~onrtitli.try
QP %he boss, &d X hspe %ha* this hm been true,
t
P
1
a
-
k i n the m a b pssople like 80 work Chezta,
th@ytv+ been treatmd fairly. Iharsta s real 1d0tirearpt
ouo o w ]am$ d l w ~ ~ 6 aqpen.tt $heir @xperimcse,
$Q
ll@ViBtP %Q ~ U I Q@8piQ&lf $p~@k&%g. TUB
5e 0
3
A
aamssra hard a% tisear but fD'a v e ~ y
goad POX%h
iadi7~Sdwd.s. And f 'va @ o ~ %
o f beASsved thirar all
my lifel an4 i d % Baken plaae.
I've never $elfwed b @ p a a ~ t i e s ,O m e you
ttakre sc, Job % b x e qhould be no Ihit In w h a t y ~ a
srhsu3d do for fit, and you whsuld do it r o 18 givers
sa8&aifaatfon, W
h
e
n ~omethingbegins 80 go wrong,
%ha* is the very tfme you ahould e v e moss 09 it,
W
h
E
t $8 %he office ~ X O O @ ~ U I ? ~
Et30~19d%
-
$ 8 11BW
dsb on?
gh~3?e'iaa soniaxenea, usually, wdGh ans sf the part-
ner@and maybas one of the 3 W o r a1806iake61 .-
well,
~lersaiateia-- p x ~ @ m * ~
BQ %ha* you don'%h a w t o
tretnslote ev@r@hingfsr everybody a l l Che t;Inae, m
e
jwfox tEhkeiij no%ee on Bhe @anf~xe?no@.
ViZlard Band
i a ~
my alter ego in Bhe office; heb for inetisncs,
takes notere i
r
m dupLi~a%e!
and he dose a beauCiful
job, w d then he give@ny 011at rPgRC there %he
~ ~ $ g i n a l keep %he crwPon whluh has B&e 8am13
and we
of +mploymeaz$, Bhe house %hey8re %wing
ts do, what
%bey 1Sk9, wha% they 4 0 ~ i ' tEfke. Xn~%ead
sf
f t ~ l t ~ w i ~ g witi31 a Ietsta,
%he aee%irr$ h8%tvy.~hmdelb
W
t
e
r i e r f.t, !
!
h
i
s g
s
s ar tatllsbp. yoas s
s
a
v
e m
o
m
e
e
y ti=
and o m afiosd $0 efo houraefa.
We've btl nany r
.
r
e
p
e
s
l
%
t
;
order@,arhiah ifittioa$str
t o ao%ion %ha$ peeple w
s
e hapvy, 02 %bey wolwLdn t
eQme baek again, Xfve aone thee e
m
n
d Pour Bouerem
for people.
pe@pk@
3u~fpie& au a ~ o h i B ~ @ % ,
or bo %hey shop
aroma?
A pea% many people shop a~otmd,but; a great many
peog2e, when you a ~ s
younger, csorns Bo you rlirerctilg
for eoae8hfrrg yoa've done. Be Bid house far @serge
Pope down i n the eoan%ry, fox $ine%ance, 1
x
1ladera,
That ' 8 a very fmoure hozx~o,aa a4oba house, Th@
Ken.f;uokyI)e~by
winner haat; yea??, Dseidedlfr, wsara
~siaedon this farm* IIta s ra%e
horse fmm. 8nd
eo, my new a;kien%e
faen Walnut Q T O V ~ ,the Gwardetrs --
xahste Bhe gzcmddaghtcar of 38. Binof, who gave m
e my
i t r a t job when I ww@ in high sshaol Qeaigning h i ~
dangh%e~~s
dllolPhouae3 -- $bey Want down euzd looked
I% %Be hotla@
and they asail they were sru~etthey wanted
mait t o do thePr baues,
Biesa: So the shopping around the Z Q ~
s f look%&g
at fibish@dworks by mohi*@a%a,
xaBkzier %ban ooming
1
3
2 t o efPSeeo ZQI~ a~kingwh~e* %hey a 0 ~ 2 4o P ~ ~ x *
Wuss.trcsrr Pees. Al$hough we, have 1 o Q ~
of psaple who oone i
n
houae t o bulld, a d we showed %hem houa3~Bhadi they
liked, and +hay liked ua, buf they aleo liked ulorley
Xongla house@ and they deoided Z
s
o take h2m, @athey
@en% us nius ba%$leof whisky a0 a oansoJat9on
have %he cowwteeyeven t o ~ ~ 9 8 s
a l e h t e ~ , This i t s
kind of tough Bo take, You give up a 10% of time
to somethinga,, llo+m&ly, nobody he@ my obligation
ts you un%91 Bhey t e l l you that yautze etmp90yeda
But everybody ha@ an obliget8iomz, PI.~mayllyfapeaking,
when $hey -bakeyour * b e , of' 1 e t B m YOU ~ U O Woff&-
o i ~ l y
%ha.+ you're not going t o got the job.
DQ you do any okerkohea far them?
b & e r t B0. la keep a vmy ~ G G U I F B ~ R
b o o k k ~ e p i qsystem in
$he 0ff10~-* $hSbta %ha& I h ~ i ~ $ @ d
UPOB
1996 on, alnnost tbixty yeaxe? now -- sa we b o w at the
end of every week wha* every job h
a
8
1 QQB% UI . Xf
ever anyoae w
m
.
l
;
s
et o er-kcap their work a% m
g B b e
we a m base o w arhargaa OR not *he hypo.t;hefia&l
asat sf %ha work, o r a pe~aentwge,o r annhing
else, but 3uas.t; on *he nnonety pdtl ou%.
Vhaf waa yonr s@sretetr9alaxza~ementwhen you
$iret opened youlls ~ f ' f i ~ 6 T
Oh -- I wao always botha~edby a r a b l t s ~ 8 s
who had
off'icea who dfebtB have an mawering aervloe. X%en
1 etax-bedl -&hey
didnrD have %hamvery nueh anyway.
So I allitad myself with & publie rateno@apherts
office in %he Hewhall hZlding, right #ex% doar.
Whenwes Z was away from my offSera they oould open
%he door and oome in ~1128 m y Z waan'8 in t o B
O
h
b
1
9
"
p
e
r
oallsd. &id they dfd my %yping, though they didnV*
take tmy eharthwtc¶,
bts $he year# rolled our md we moved around in
the building, we finally ended up in a panthause a#
%ha top floor m d %heywere on %he eigh-bh floor, with
Bwo floosa in belvsen, and we put a slot down ~ %he
~@modeXlng
$krcmgh the aeiling of their offlue up
t o the floor of our ~ Z f i e e ,and we bad a atring
Wwrstsrrz wttk a oowbsll. on It, a
n
t
3 a ohmp srnd we @en% dawn
- a ~T;ratrwlesF@ B2a.r~Ro@e m d her
Iaghtsr Pay Hoguar wils~e,the two peopZ@ bv01vBa,
&a. Elope, liked 60 gone over early in %he
ma~aing,a five o * ~ l o a l E
BOB% 21 Bhdaa day@, m d I
would quit the of%?lcaat miW$h%at16 1 w ~ a l d
lower
down the let%-time
I
Q $ha% a* 9tOO %Be next nor-
wha X go* fn %he l@t%erer
ha8 all berrarp fyped,
3aieem 	 BQWwi-l;h&9Opeop3a in %he efZS~eyou m u ~ 8
hiave
quite w e t d i o
f
' seoroQmiaa and bookkeepers.
WuxaBext	 Ob, ye@. 5916 have aaeomtants who aiivj1em u
a
r on W ~ Q
80 bved do %he booWeping. W
e have a woman book-
keeper who %&@a om@oi wrfting out all the ohec'ka
and era sa, all bmsd on the aBv3L@eof Prlos a d
MaaEbtUaa, %he f i m w h i c h harrdlao my O
w aoaa1a321js
and bahncee my chet~kbookand everything e5w9. h d
beoauee sro mimy people, have worle&d In my ofifcs --
b%'e been ishe tzaining ground for hunclxeds of
architeate , know, John Punk a d Joe MoCartw
aud &mk SohwBavt, the P l ~ t
$8 @~omouer,
I arugpocat!~
f~rtp
ox fifty a* leaat, maybe more -- they a l l
b o w about; ~ U E I ato fh@y employ
borhaEeepbg agah;es,
Paioa and NaO&eZlm too,
do Prio~emil leClel3.m have bscroae a f a ~ ~ o u s
arclhftiebatusd. boakkeap- Pltm. TB d
l a C ~ 1 ~ t 6 d
$ram ua. ?eherhave a gzeat loyal-by towmd Be an4
do mythtng 2 wm8, and are very cour-lia~ueabout
ill.
l o me, tha buti~ins~a
aide of w o f f i ~ e18 a
t;lsfng %t;o get opesr with lea$ 111; some in your way
of doing good work, i D i8nV$a goal in itself', i%'e
wholly a graoesa by whh~hOW do, but 3.P; doegnt%
intezf~sewith yQur d
o
*
, good wsxk, It doesn't
neeiaaerarily enab3~yau 6s do good work wxleera you
havta .a;alen%
anzd abiUty, but it prments you fxos --
Sf you have ax~unbus3~~eee3lke
ofPPce cer.b&;a job@
m e loaL .t;o you, or %ha iaejTfialency sates Sn%o%
h
e
r
product ao mah that it aufiers, cand it's a pZty
t o ever le% 'this happen. 80 while X make a plea
90r a well-nsn o ~ ~ S Q B ~ a plea for Bhe
X dong% meas
well-run oSf3.oe Sar it@ o m but mer~hy%e
gexmif you fhqn t o do job Zi~9wartlyour goal.
a b ~ ) % t e ~
Have you my epaold mrm$enent Sox working wi'tih
%La@ wcthita~Lesin Braining?
go, they just right in.
go% ~w@p% 1%'~a l l very much
pmt; of the regular ofPioe w x ~ e n ~ n t ~
Nerve dona 

1 Wweteri S a i n a y Store. and Banks heriaa far years, aad
we keep right on wi$h %be two aoaow-tso but we Beeg
~Baagfngthe people on $hsm beaauee it'@ so mono-
-&saouat o Bo just one thing.
Bieoa: So new people get pracBica on the Safeway Stores
specifications ant5 all,
That's right. We're on our one hundrad-bh Satsway
Store [~ebruary25, 19843. The Safaway Store we
did on the lasina makea more money than any other
Safeway S t o ~ e
in America.
Fhy 1~ that?
Loaation, pleasant place to ahop, the view ou*,
Tt'a a good e-bore,
The first twenty-two we had Oo do just like
they askad zaa to do, m d tihey were not trery good,
But at %he end of that time we knew enough about
their needs to be able k o make suggestions, whiah
%hey took. And we opened the atore up again. Sou
Wow, thors was a period when all they did were
closed-in stores, with brick a11 around, rznd you
never could ~ m 3my light, 'But we thought that was
a very unaesthetic viewpofm.tr, to do a vault for
vsgetables.
W
h
e
n d i d your office move on t o the Swfevay md
&uik of! hmeri~a30baS
Bwatszo 	 The Baftbway Stores oame beaause Xingren Varrern,
who waa then p r g ~ i a e n t ,aalled and asked fi f 'd
be interested at %XI in dolag Safeway B-borsm.
And b w did you gat the B a k o f hssrioa?
W t a s ~ C ~ r Well, a W
fldifig branch of
P Continen%aZ 5$rviae,
the Bank sf America administration, w h i c h d e d s
with Bhsir building need$, liked our quiet and
u # t a @ ~ w U g
approach, I gueas, and $ave ua the ;9ob
of being oonmltanta.
How doaa the entering a camps%ition work? Pox
fnatwnoe, the Golden Gat;eway.
wwrstsrt	 Well, the Golden Ga%erw~ajrbrought a new era of so-
called compefitions. What it was was the San
Franei9so Redevelopment Aga~noyestablished the
laad value and then % h ~
oompetition w a s eupposad
t o be on a matter of desaign, and one o f the firma
oompeting f o r the Golden Gateway, the Kern CounBy
Land Company, offered %WQ million dollar8 nore for
the land. But %he axohi0eatwe judges, a panel o f
wchiteots, a%i12desmad that our echeme Cf~rthe
PerPnS Corporation] was better and 80 $hey gave it
aas%h@ti@@ dollma.
over
W e a st 	 Going into w oomgs4ition ma%
be w. great invers%meat
of time and money by *bra artithiteotztre fim. How do
you deoide when t o entar?
Wu~e-bsrt WaaXL, %he .t;hing is %his, that no axakitectur~lfirma
except the very la~geistanes, stand by wag o f making
very much money; aoma peop3.e b v e mde noney i n the
aense that $hey%se put a ~ i d e
a Little bit asd then
enriahesd it in paying ventures of some ~ o r t , Most%
do not, And so in this compefi.tion the entrepreneur,
in o m eaas Perirai, from Boston, who was bidcling for
*he land for the scheme, put forward all the money
for us. He gaPaBled $150,000,
And how about suuh oompe-bitiona aa the enba~syaompe-
tition i
n London?
In that the Uni%ed States govsrment paid eaoh o f us
$4,000 to go to London and do Lhs drawings, 1% cos%
ue about $9,000, eo it had a prsstige value only.
l o a t that one? it %as built by E ~ X Q
Saarinen.
Could you find another use your drawings?
Oh, no, you design for a apeoific ~ i t e ,
Groavemsr
Squms, and i t will no3 do f o r any othas. 

About how muob sf your pracbtios $8 d@vofed80 whieh 

wem? 

V?elP, we've haB a real 8eskre to be of service an8 

aaaep-b every job as it O Q ~ ~ B , 

be i-t the remodeling
of a kitehen or a building for a huge coapany, Tt
probably represents as varying ha graatice aa %here
axiata in the city. W
e have %ha aommsxcial aide --
we have the SaSoway S t o r e ~and tho l3ank of Amexicaj
and t;h4 housing aide -- urban rsdeveLopment, %he
Golden Gateway, Ishe new proJec% in B a n Xiatso;
public buLld3.nge -- %he collegaa at S&II$W
Cm5,
%he b%ochauietrybuilding here. Plo we really do
everytNng, 'baltevbg that in specia1P;y Lies death,
And St's oxqually your Pirae building %bat makes you
a epecialist 8 you ems eo much that you pow every-
thing in on i t , In the second building y o u idea8
m e a l i t t l e obder, %heeraare @oms technical matters
you know. I'm not B U P ~
but what your first building
re&Ey P m ' t In eome wayo %he bee*.
Now, 8$@rs ars axoeptions do thia, Whew Safeway
5 % 0 ~ e a ,fcrLnat;m~e~
sent for us t o seaons then from
Wurstart 	 wha3 %hey w
e
;
.
%
r doirg, whSeh w
a
e
r guBt&ng Bhe blank
fmses an a3.l .&hair~a-khcsr
hideszlsb buildiiqgs, we
herd te % %hoar4%wen$ywtao
o r r s ~lalt;oreo f o r them
befaze they E d u
s
a 40 -bin& o
a o w own 8% all+
a d then we earned i h 8 .tro guS
righls by b o w l ~ d ~ s
aew ktmda of rsofe on so f o ~ l ~ h ,
go you aaas y~waelfglda not 9~p@~ialfslng
5n your?
6ffi(E54?
Probably the fama clrh%erfly
reerte with .$Behousles
we've dome that! gained 88 many gvistear sad 00
$ojl?th. 80 &% would bq sagam3ed aa bouaea pwtiou-
Xmly, a d the Cen%asrfor BBLvtimcedi Stud2ala i n %he
Bebv3osal gcieanes~~
ett $%anford, wMoh i a 1Uce the
hotlees W t on a gre&*ersoale; really, P;haa@
woul4
be where mosf people waw3-& a g ~ s e we h& %he greatesf
Tuo~,
W e r W t you ~hieP1yon %he houses?
Oh, it &1 depsnder on whot@ lJrr %he affift+, whoC@
%hex@
when the, 0
1
Y
m
-
bsomers in. Xrm Oh@ house
pmaoa when $hay a ~ k
POP met but 'PheoBazls Q s e ~
hsuaes, Donn doe# hou~ee,
'
W
l
h
an a job $8 done i m r i.t; rslgnled by the wcthiDeo.&
or the f%m?
Wu~rster;t)t Et'ro eigned by the $$me
An% JFOUdon't; 'twm joba d9m.
Wwstwt 1
8
,;
r
a
e
"
s
wW m mqr $ab &
C
s
w
n
,
YOW would t ~ ~ t i m d
Oh@ ogfiae t&?ro%)I
WunsrBe~t 'JTharVs aZgBt5. We15, we hwmrD ha4 my gxobl@nslo
iaw being $ha$ pop%ax, kn ~tht%r
w~rde,*O puf ft
ia et very blntt way, w~~va,
besen r
s
a
v
a
s
d Bhe leorstarlozi
lof mo4teeie. X really matcan thtrs gnffe h@ncaer$ly.
F3uaset~e$~l
ptasgla w e Yaaaitpraki, E4 Bt~ae,Be39
S~w$.n@n,
Bhoees people, ?mQ
Ohey were eo bed@vib&
by er~abmhiw
they %~'~pahed
~IUXLW$0 gold, %ha%
$hey awn %oat gezspeotirib, And we hsv@n*t had
%ha$kana o f Pnzsadeesi, wlaio-h PHL
glad fax !ha a way,
J & Q ~Waneeke at way hsla %he asme grobxem, Ba
w
a
e
r able t o do evazlythitq~rro wIB12X *ha% he oouXd get
timy job h4 aftex (ailssomss.tbers wcstse $ning
star the ame jab) every %in@.
Th8$t~
&n%ere@tin$. f would b v s mauneQ*ha% you
W @ F ~~f Dhe Edida@-Bou~h
~ F O I I ~ .
wuxsl$e~a get redlly beaenaxlece, you areel I we'arener'b
$tiyLish enoqgh ~ Q T
t b 9 . We Boav$ EbBvo~afr my
sah003. 02 $ho~agh%~
Our a8vocta~y
$8 wdwetatem@nB
Wmetrrsrt 3
?
1
t
T
a
t
l
r thm o;~e~r600a%c~m@nB, We're
you see, ns%
*gxSll. peoplen s
z *v~r%iaal.
peopJe" 0r *beJfoa-be
paoplan l%krs
HamwiieJci., We believe in approachtng
eaah grsbla e~OiLre;Zy
anmu, Yamaraak3 hrrna t o
g m t ~xperJtez%se
a d l$ms upon St very hll~itll09ly.
Does mean ybu a ssxtaia kind sf oUea%?
hreterr A@ a rule, our sli~lfta
walk in, Well, fox instanoe,
we sonplsted s h~~.sae, Pa for 1150,080
%ha% e w e
ycmterdqr for a family in %min @sw.t;ywho were
Porkgueae B a t v people who omed Lwkaa Valley
before Ef@Uer
bov&$ %hm
ou*, 3hey wexe v%xg
n9ae peogla, bu$ very afmple people, eand %hey
Qmned t o theb lawyer t o find out who was beet t o
go to %o gslo OP h0u1~ea~la
fihe3tr Lawyer h
w
d
i h8arB
aoraczrbddy say oaoe $ha% if he aver had a hourere %a
Bo he'd ge4; 9r ~ertrainf i a a $0 80 iQ. And %he lawyer
h a ioxgoften tha m e of the firm but Be had&*%
far-
gotten the 02 B ~ B
f ~ i e n d ;he oaUsd hi8 ftpiena
ap and aaid W
h
o would YOU ge% t o do it, and he aaaid,
NWuroOa~,R 80 NX. Burreah, the lawyer, galled ua up
aad a&&!, "Vmld you be 2n.tcsreatekd in d~2ng
a laovsre
$or my ~ l i e ~ t a ? ~ And ira;rrarr$;sd
f T e ~ r * a mee-bira&waa
F U - % ~ T ~ 	
a %hey a i a % QUB UP ornnd Ve dfd d=tfv He'& ~ V H %
hew&B ~ B L I
~ O ~ % P W Q P
$ha% we 9ffer2erd the maat
B $ L ~
f o r $he gL@fi#bgt
W
e bid IIkbFe f # a e f ~ l
d~aw%nga,
W
s ~sZdlom1~raet822errta* We have lo& several,
h
t web gsnem3.1y go an Ia%o dbs thipd ganerraefiion.
T
$
l
s did a hou~esrin B a V%e.tjal f o ~
Bh@Oooka, an4 thdr
deugh%e~ I n Stuz and w
e
M a r i a n f ? o ~ k bancsisso
498 et e%tghaerrs fop $1.1- tberll~sbesmse the ffx&
a%peg$eno+ In B
A
s VLater h
& Baas sse, g3ewm%. 80
%here
you me. And on the ~ t h s x
ba.n&,we dirl
M@myva;le,in S m &a~irsas, l a the old 'LsG&E
ER;rSldlra$ dtlwa thelte by $he YazLna i3tafeway B%oT~,
a v e ~ y
im~ar
an%iq~e@hog, We. Mmdanoueg;h awns
fB, hcnd eha, &&&$aft did bihingps at
l i k e the way are
a11 .IBO alaeb ikmd a&.
RLsea8 Yaa d2dnf
t sozaplete it?
Wure-kero W
e finished that 2
3
u
f @he 82dn"te w
m
t us $0 go &@ad
wZfh plrana Pa remodel .la houes. Bvidemtly it B M n ' t
B&%L~$Y
thrs- id@&43$ B ~ F B ~ % - .
Bicearslt 	 X
n rost f
i
m
n
a
r 46 you a mod wo~kingretla%rlcsn-
@Big, and ssn @*ttBaobenlrj u ~ t
na%urarllydevelops wi%h
$he esli~m*a?
Ae8ually 9 $kink i t doea ~ i % h of .trhm,
'75 gtm? c a f
Oi tmusqe we ebmge a top Fe@,%welve
per @en* of
%he hrsuaiet, an4 %hen we give OU;F~P&~PB@tanstir%9&$q$ly
t o 3 0 b B
xi3 %ha% h&&O
Vwy h
i
&
. Zfesa is etzmdmrP1 or P Q W @ ~ ~
1s %hgaemuah %Bpata$ianof tha o3ient %ha% goeaa
u 4 s *ha job7
'Sl@sr, @zst~g.t;
f@3? *O kiad%0% *h2W%. X: keep erw-
%Big %O wbt3dy W ~ O
~ e ' ; ~ t e a h0We OX, nR8ntWiI-
b w , S.tita llgs an& your aaoney. And we ma%
&a
O b beset o f yam HnQ, OF we shou2.Bra'B be doing i t
fer you, You #
h
o
P
Z
Z
&have enfibsiam fox i%,
w
e
ehoaSd haye rni81uaia~n
for it. It wouldntO M ~ ~ X B W
aa~ilrfi.f:
me, I
'
m ~ Q S in it for ?ayeelf,
fn%sreafea
The main thixkg i e .t;o gxo0etz% you fron y~url~~t~tlf
and
%o augman%the thin& so that $au mengtboxed l a
%Be future."
Iha% do you mean, wa~gm~nt
#T
En ohoasing be%w@en
~oXu%ioas$0 eom@ up with the
$Magre %$a$will add and will have Oh@ ooLoa 0% '
&
h
e
slient.
So T very aslaom g@Bm~raelfin%o%he pore;t$lion of
bd$onyTW X #.idl lbx1$ke your balcony, (I
&%@;a abauf rim how when I w~rSlbatadwhat ln %he
woxld Be, wantea be aai&, R%bm@tre a vsroaa~y9a
Z vould like vary msh t a a]~a,sint
you tto 19 I$
you
Sa S was on t b ooan&esioa, WeU, we hw3 a
Xi&% irs %he a~xomi@aian
wdth the then ahaimem,
Vl$ha@s@8, Q
x
m
t XXZ, who inslarBred on markd.ng
"wh;Lt@* and Raslo~adY the map# --
Mtwklng the park mesa?
Y88, mwkli%eand H ~ ~ & ~ r $ r d
am!l %here wae no rewon
,*
for ue t o QW$ .that kind 8$ thing^ at all. We were
Ww&t.%axr 	 suppaeesit to b
a
r arsmpLettelg free sf gxarjudiextt.
One %in# whes E woentf t h e ~ e
cme of Bhs menibma
broza@% the irilante w
g but they asolZd gst no arcbeend,
m
a so i t 454aB, i#Pnxka%ed %he 'ESrar~idsalti~
!!Ma a d
when '
1
: W&I %heret
b rte* %%as we gut; 18 aver# I
ma8e %hamove, %he ~a%banaZ
park member slraonded
it, and w
e gu% aver B
c
i
s $art%a$ asseiw %hi# P ~ o m
our merge.
Zhk8 P ~ e ~ i d ~ 9 i l t
WQU&&X'% P ~ W B Q ~ %
USY~OIB8.
and am% ll~let $Q aeet a H@gmwoB$&.tccn~%,
EIlXfard
Bobiwon, whom he platma8 %a&a@ a member oi?%he
~ ~ l s
sodmk@n. $@@a 10 b @ s $ ~ ~ , %
widen%%hati$here was
g ~ 3 a g
Ba have lOl@ be a new ahaimm, by Bhs i
&
e
a
*
b
$ha%
B ~ wasnt%t
s~ergpodn-bad,and ~taddealyBhay aakeB a8
~
a la$ o$ quent&@nre,and i$ 6aw~edBaa me the* f m e
Oo be *he ahaimtan,
J oaJled %he Houae Presidential &e~%atmtr,
m
a Z aslid, " B B ~
heavenrE
I make, you &n'% maan t s
'bell me goutre gaiw $a make me oh4xne31, Z
'
m wa
abeebntge perma and f t t e msng.*
!&?bar
e ~ f d , "Well, who %Is@ a w l d you euggeatBn
" Z ~ ~ Q P Q $8 E
.
0 sZ8@*
Bsw o$lien did you somane?
Onass al mon%h.
e'6~ery$in@ you bt~m%a Watrhing-kol~~,~
h$
s&d, R 9 wan* ym t a c d 1 a d 264 ae know that youqrs
habee m
d
a X wan% $0 tn&s 6% g$-e $or ;gsu Zza -the
srahsd@Le99 ~srs@ible,*
Bta %iked $o &i#wsa public
works, $ J Z ~he knew s gr@a% dedL abau-b %hem, Beg&
&one a grel~+t
&gali!!' hi8 h
c
r
1
~
8
eta+# on m ~ h
aaBtasse
1% wtw be, on '
H
'
e
r
B
r
i
bBuena XsZarid, who kept the bxkdgq
p~opb6~
f ~ d mtlaing a out through Pmba Buenay ha as,
a 5 ~ 8 t ~ d a@@
an tihe twuzel Beoawta he didntt s a t t o
it seared wi%h w open aufe
So, he w o d d ua&me aa a pillow %or~eIzc&tIon
really. &d T w ~ u l dgo in and %her$ all would ah#&$
a fZet a% me aut i n Ohs outer oPf&sq amd s&y, HDanlt
you dam stay avesx f3.%twn
atnutea* !l!hdxe -a
$wan$y people waS$.f.ng m e him, owLa p a m~Cn~$
etay over fff%etm
aCtm*e~* A% %he end of?$%f%elen
'the WJVg, ~ Q W *
.When B
h
e tima am@fox I
@ t o aame West again,
Z w
a
e
i going %Q %
t
a
b
f
a*he a m Jab a* $
2
3
.
8 lJnivtitxm$.ty
guaJpt;er of my $ime in T~~bMn@an,
lao I said not $0
%&&we
~ b ~ n t i
you, $ha% ~ Q U * T $
da~er'bhgme. Z don't
want 56, X 15ke wh@% gatatr@
do-, Why Born" f
~ Q U
a jab i&ti 8rorge Waaphingkon W%verepi.f;y, y9t3
e m QQ&~(Bh%~f$?#
we bo%blaughed. w@ knew *hat thta
wrtg n
w
b ponrraa;tbls 'bus i
%
'
a
a
miate go eruggeaa; 18.
Ph+ .tihag $ha8 efan$lsd me ths moat anrE H
i
a
L
t
P
e me
faad. aery proud wae Zio rea $ha+ her@war a man
abo~3uDelyunaamugt6)d by power, I've n@v@x
%earn
ay%h;lngl%B@it4 Here WM a man who while he was
bumble hhar~l2
demnded %ha% the gbsY%A~nbe held
very hf&, EQ% $03 E
4
.
n s
8 w pearasn buC beatatuse ~f
%he naGisn, a@wr
aa~uraned%ha% Ba and the 90811-
$ i ~ n
were O ~ B
and the stme tfhtng, wh2ub ia a raBhex
noble p o i ~ t
sf v h w , really. He a&sn'.t; oon&aed at
a13 WauC %he f&&f that he, Rhr~ey'P~uman,wrae @it-
%* 5;r B U a areratr &@a$,
Thm X wen%$n %has$gr+er%
09*$3 Beon %he Ofrsltr
t b s was in%xo4u~edZ kept m
a
y
* $0 ayraeJ.2,
"We11, if PaOha~~ ~ u l d X t ~ e s l l y
8nXy see me a c ) ~ . ~
f~ gaiQaB~ea~htakhg be taken h-bo tihe Ov&I
$0
BOOB etna t o zrlealise %ha+&
Bere sltpr the man wi%h
$ha &@a$gowrsr in th@ world. yawr W r n raaztr al
fie@ t;lg on yam heacf -- 48% r@allyr
aa ~prararaa~v~
oituestian I R my l-w@.
You h o w , governernti @@nctiesr terribly
w e n - r n mad +ewy Zay&Lly sttaffrd by o i v l l serv&ntta.
I &at had a Tong telegram from %he 8Cate Department
about my rcs9i~aent0u-k b ~ 3 ~ ~ r
They wandered if they
aughWc$ %6 aena asmebody ouQ t o r~preaantthem at
4
%
. ceremony, oii'ioa *rote baok and s a i d no,
Ohat It wlaam"b radlg neoeasaxy at all, They f'ollowed
wi%h rw %elegram s a w they wanted %a ba eosL a$
mentally gar$ of %he prooeas anpmy.
WhaB war& the work of %he oomrfa~ion?
1% wa%an atfmtpt to gat m;zB a general plan fhaQ
would ~OI~SBBOW %Q tromrs,
gf?e gtaidelinsa of what was
a%tenp.ti$0 Larep esaa-kfeza%50&Srom 8paPling
Ba %e.fsdn
%
h
e
rba&r.t;y%ha$ w%& RababSagbontrs.
09 ~3aazrslsr4h1 Bie?ifiet sf QoLurnbSa, whish you
aXaaya aeo m a BMng 3.- this I['lilpmde&
bquarej,
$an m&Zeta ssqpme, ~ J Z 1846 $he Osngreer of $ha
V&SBs& Otiar.tr%saodod Bhe pact aaaearna 8hs Petorno
k w k ta TTfxg$nb. %bey would never need %Marm
c
i
h
r
g
a
c
B
e
a
, %Bey tbougbt. asy i
a
r
s
r
t
a
r
c
a
8 of b e 2 ~
sa requ-e
BbaB yoo alwa~esee, the wha3.a c
)
a
@
aide f a uu%
A
3
-
1 &ld.ngtan, inoludjgg Uezmdriw, all 02 tiha*
be16ngga IT@
Vtrg2tn;Za.
And aothing o
w bb &one abouB ;lt,
SO, i r pze-CZv;hZ V-r Ilt8a ~bou.trtrw~-.t;'hirt3e
the ria@2t m a ~~SgindLly*
!i!ha% of- th&B ie
the BOB&
vaurable pa@$of ViPainia, of oomare, be-
otkzlfaa %hey pay fhte naat t a ~ ~
e3nB they wouldnt$
poeeibly g f ~ s
S t ag,
Ware pwk areate slddwa w U e you wcatr.s,Qn *ha, sods-
r~Zoa?
$&#ze W&B a abnar%m%&.t;Btmp8 %o @&rd f
h
e
r pmks frsclm
fratcswayar usnmp- $hem all* Bern~c%hesrs
we Xssa$, @one-
B%nw1 W* gahedr f O was t
a xa%Ber;tme+xa$Sng exper-
le~l@4f,
WurmpPert , I t ~ l e a
W d %s ptzt over the gal#$ o f v$ew
%hatWaahington w
a
r
a @ obty b@lov@1
land s ~ a d
by
W ~ Va2tA~riffnin ?;ha ~otza-trPig,~4 ~ g y d
%hay
s
h
m
I
L
d gesmSt t m s t o b
a
r done in WoeU~8ontb-t
theg gllZghC 220% $gfqxd in theAr awn oom&1;Sesj
%hey ctould t
U
& o f h%or w pilot 6d8vdyPbeoau~es
Waahingt~n%a ag+cisl and if ha8 .ti& pride of all
&e3xAoru3, aitira;renel XB ehozr;t8nft have, m
Z
m
r
s
, and
it ahcruldn*$ be w&y, T t ohould rapzaaenB a a@glta3.
o f a B@mocrssy*
$he rgal eaQa-befnfreps~$sr
sot 3n s#dl interfered
with Ohe reh@xraS~
people, bu$ aAn0e %hatBiae amy,
srran$ tih-8 have happened, and we b v a .tihe whole
re&e~elogmsrr.$ t a k l ~ g
wUoh a ~ ~ ~ i @ t # dm&m q r
@f tihe 8 3 . . i
+
d $sb~a&ld$~g
% h m WItio gxi8efiJ. areas,
T was %here a9 fuart a~ Wortwater jw~8arts,
The %roub&a wIQB the Ma%PonaJCapita3 Park and
PI-g Comiss&onha %hat there is a eenatmx and
a oongreaemm @rnenbq~a,and i t l a xegwde8 aa the
law~otoomit-kes aitppoSnt331en-k in %he Qongresa, They
don't aorsre .Iso nreetings and they gay no srh*entio# t o
be paxahollo&clsrl5y W enaot;iosalJy gemdEed with aructh
iapoflersnas %ha%
people woullb regard it; a8 one of
the highewt a~gsfntm~~im.
WBSZe P w
a
a
s %he~s
%he ma& Ching T d i d %at o
ge% %be big, $a%volume, whioh a3.wa~aauoed $0 bs
auti 41 da+e ero qtliokLg, re8usredl b % o ls m
ajox a m r
met$ vah.i~esttove* dL1 oi bhss thingap and %hen
pt8mpSfst~numbered one %boughsight, alil supple-
~~ntiary
thing$, oa traeifio, on moo- paopXe, on
open ~ ~ & B B B ,
efzzd dl1 the other Zereaatar a9 t5.i.e~
plan..
n i q ao tho* you oau3.d replaas any of them %h!inga
as you wm-bea to wlzQn they reare obrsolote.
2he aomiseri~naggoiPiCmen.l;rs ahmgts with new Pzeai-
seats?
S*ve 90rgo3tefi the arxmgemfetn-b and %he lengCh of
%em. They me now reaorgienirted in a auch better
fatahion In any asfaa,
And are the ~ec~omanda$tOnrs
of the eommis~ioavoted
upon in Oongreasrs?
Y&u havet QO get %he b@~klfig
02 Congreer~~
t o wha2;aver
majaz dleoiefon you make+ It goea befam oommitrtecaar,
A8 s mle $ wae ~t%-bexly by the Raw38 Corumttm
de%@a.t;ed
Oee, who ou% E a t Qapitol Pwk in tswo with a great
P O & ~ W ~ have been in another
and b3tIdlge wUah O Q B ~ ~
loa~t%ion,
w~ratezt 	Yara, $0 P P Q B ~ ~ %
y ~ t l
taaa Bo %T$ yam a%de.
BSesel Xn@iBaln%ra'lly,
have you agaa* muah %ma with A
X
8
a~%9,viti~a, group8
as s$ber ar~hALestwe~eomecsted
P 
I
09 .that aro~C?
BftzreBmt 	 X've aeser rnpqn* aa mu@b Bbtq e
L
a arhovld h a ~ e
om
the AX$, E epmt o aerf~in
madun% 65 81a% on
tb$#ggar like %hs lax8bena.l Capital Parka rand Plmming
CIom2asian, and now %he govsmort@
eomiseion for
the growth of ~aozmento,Int% f never did sea12y
atrwfgh* AXA 8imt3,
!&ears:	 In 3,958 you beswme 8 rnembal~of the azohiteo.t;waI.
g a s 1 far Mae stat^ Department. W
h
a
t is it $ha%
y
q
t
2 do $ex %ham?
Wwsterr	 %ha* w
a
r oonosived of by %be Sta-be Depm%mernZ;
who
stak~dPiretWo Bs2Lueohi, R m y Shagley and Ralph
Walker 90 be an t h ~
atrohS%wlepanel f o ~
%be Fore$@
BuildSngs Operatisn %o oat up ~riBeria
for Bhe
ahoioe o2 arorbiteete 902 oamiasi~naand then %Q
gaaa on the deiaigns preaenfed, ~wux@$sx,
Bernardi
& IQmons] werq giwn %he U,S, Conertllatea in Rong K ~ n g
by them [1953], a d Eero Satwinern wae given Porvay by
t b s ~
[B,9* Eglbwary, Oalo], T
n .Oh@emly 1950~
there
waa ern inPi$ed uornp~tiBionfor the London Embseray wsn
Wws%*??t 	 by a m h a *
P B Q ~
Bart4 w w pfa@.ardon Bhe w@M'tieo$gmel
o$ P,B.O. .
n
d ho rsk&a %ha% I be put on. M%ex a
time I wm &A% on, a
t
& I slave4 on longsx %hen
lasly ~llhex
membes. X'VB my a m Bw%a%ed
&QW no
mbh 88 sfay on, r8a!trWaa&hin gepBaber 1969.
I'lve been on 5% &OF. five yew%. X wen* 80 Waaihiagton
ab~u8@&emevaxy Wo aanths.
Fe &tte as jgetcce, %a %he a'lie&t Che3s -- f;trt@ v e ~ y
much lib %he work ]IC da fez %he U~iv1~618y
o f Gal.%-
f0mU in auggas$rllng tknd *flag $0 ge% a~ekSitr)a%w?e
%abe beauQi$ul, apprapr9a-k~
an8 eam$bLs, The
petepXs on It a@warer &am&nae
Andmaan sb M.f .T.
Boy Urr~anQF PhSXa4cbZp31%a m d m~a.lrex. I'
5
3
b@ 602El9 ~ f f *
Rieaarr Pnalarebing svapy tnHs rnsn%h~
SB ss@undtaa8 -tihoagh i%
muat
&aalwi%h
more j#&0 ioraign biX8lngp;s than @mba~sfess,
%marte;r*t	 Oh, ymt8 be rsua~pr2aedhow m y for~bbgnexabas$iew
arnd foreign aonrulaeabbs them are. And all building
done by Che 8f;at.%ePegwtrment ouGei&bB
h
e
r counIrz!y
g o e ~
dkaugI %hi$ pg~nel,
U
6
b
s
r
e
ro	 It oau38 ineltlde hoa~5ngfar par~orsnel,
abut7
MB(b.aP;Sy they felt; the BSnraMg of ~aym?chi8maotmer
the K i n g t o c
r
a
m Bo Ramwk +or %he openlag of %hs
aodemy, sad my slaairtra U o t t ~ d
t o me, The Xing
pAa~nslin m
e e t ; ~ i q
qumtiet~ Bu8 it haa not worke8
ant f@Jr area $
4
3 attmd*
Ysu heave a h
m
i
9
. 3n ar-o many %Wnge, c i t y hallla,
, 3
QareAgn build-a, o%berFampuoqa, exgoaitiiona I
-
WMA
*he o~miO't@saar
or oomaisarions m e ahosen do
%hey a%Bentp.t t o get toge&h@r
a group sf men witrh
d i f fs~es18goihte o f view?
Vary often %hey d ~ ,
yes, Then you're known by
whmth~~
youWr8~bjeativeb02 pareanal a'boa% thfng~.
Teaahlag hslpo you Bo ba obJeotivs, I think, agore
3hm moert other: profereasfoner beoauae you o m ' t man
@very%hing
i n yo= o m imager, slthough laone arbhi-
teo$s t r y 80 do 8
h
a
4
3
.
RLe#@ t So a gmel of ob$sotdva, pragber cran ~~aaoh
oonolu~ionla?
Wms$etr$ 2ha.t; ar r
J
.
g
h
f Bsrserd on ideas* YmaaraH be very
ghlxaonstSl about a11,ltheee %hlnga. W
s me bofh on
at gas& the 'FfnLvereity OF WashingOsn and ha i a
alwaayas ~ s e k i q ~
Bo guide w~xflhinginQo his own
x Z qneetian thie buO Yma~akil a
giftaid a d good @onesfrom hi@ preaegnae.
Bicsae: W b $ 2rs your w0zk %OF the QnSvex~I%y
of Wa~BIqgtonT
Wweterr 1% en a
a ekmbi%eo.ttural
pianel* on 0811 of the
xegm$a, be* up ccl#s$ating of %Weearchiteata,
%hetiean of thafr own B Q ~ O D J ohahman, and one
other hotalty membex, a d the buerineras manager, %he
g r o o a ~ tand 8hs presiden9 mit iQ,
too. We ex~be~¶.ne
the c w p m An srdatr t a Jadge need and also oritiofse
asehiQaotara3 ~vabartaaisna.
. .
..
. .
Dean Wurster - 1951 

TIbw d i d you get Che deanship here a
C the Univ@ra$Cy
of Galifoxnia? When d i d the nego%iatfonefor %ha%
begin?
Well, 5 made, a pldsdgg Bo rqyeelf' that Z would not
usmaidtsr any @hang@
for the 99rof five year@ a%
I.L.S., isha* I would give muah a period unstint-
WXy, A8 the end o f tha$ .time I heard that Daan
l w r s ~
Persy of %he Unive~rsf$yof Califoxnia was
~wignfnghla deanship; he wanted t o take it a Little
b i t eseier and %4aah only.
My friend Jack Keht in city and regions1 plan-
ning afspped k and eepoused iny ~auseQUB here, Tt
wag due 30 him, really, more than anybody else,
though wheB with %he varicrua delay@that ooourred
I wandered if they really were going Oo offer r
a
e
auylt;hing, f heard onse tihark f waa t o meats* Robert
ffgxowl at Eoa Alamoa, and then %hatfailed to
3PbdJ.g BgrauP aiade a dage far n
r
e A
n Augksa.1:
,
.
. A
x
z
g
u
l
g
% 311 3949 -- ant3 X beta Zmah w%fhhim a
;
hi# koase and &%ex lunah he walked w i t h me on %he
Easf Lawn, b d mda.ksd +ha% he ootrld do t o tempt n
r
s
to Be Qhs deau a%Qa3.Afaxnia. I laughed and saia,
wPou dont% t o temp%me at 8
1
1
. I w a n t t o do
it."
Be said, wWe15, am I going t o get no oredie
fox thie at st;lLTs [&augh$br]
I laughed asla said, nNg, you orartft claim any
oredi4 for It*
&d ao S set my lealtitry leer8 than the one at
- /I I
i,T,b., bseause L wan$ed 80 oarno. I knew I really
b
d
i r~dwh$da poSnO of de~iaioa* Xf J: stayed in
the Eta83 f wsu28 have had tro caut w%%h ay weetrsxn
~ f l f i o e ;i t was t;oa hard doing thlnga at long range,
and I Pel8 I w
a
a
s eb debit rather than a oreldlt,
Then this inbsxmatias was wtkhhald until there
wa8 8 lot of rumor a ~ ~ u n d
about it, and finally
the maor# $lew 80 $hi& Z gained the privilege
89 N.I.T, t o $8. around
~ O ~ P ~ Q Bf 4khfnk tha* w
w
January 1950 and I l e f t $ha$ summer t o eoas Wefff.
W
a
e
r %herea s~miDtete
Bsxs *o ~h0010
YOU, o r what?
Pem Bemy had let *he etdao3tn$a*lirna%&olii ~ he
Rie~@
t 	 b w
Bie~s Pemy wais 	 m
y
o	 dam fron 1927 until you came.

sueh s long %in@?Gh~t3rrn6t11~Mp~

r~ta*e,1 b@li@Ve.
What about deanship89
Wwa't;atrt Well, in a a i t a r y eys.t;mu, %hatin, where you axe
boQh a aohool of law and a peduate aahool, or a
axe b ~ t h
ebairmlwz of .tihe depa;rt;men%an8 dean; f;hough
when you ge* more derpm%mentthen you eplid
%ban ~ n e ~
up and y~mzham rotating ehaPrmn many timee, but;
. .
OY~e-t;~;~o
Yea*
. ., 	 . . ..
Usamt T wonder whr.
It% very h-4 fa a amall eolLeget @mall depwbmetntirsl,
$0 have thbe muoh staxie-by sf! geag9e wbe @auldfill
%he Job. W ~ ~ Z W O B I2n the &&i%h8ep4a~ltmsntBhwe
night be f ~ ~ t y
on the fsroul$$ and o f Bhsa five @F
r
a
b who aould ~ b l y
O ~ X F ~ I
C
k
e
on $he ohraJ,rmmship.
e w e in the MB$OXY a d $he, Qemmdepart-
B~par%men%~
man%, Ithey're trying now ts -- the crhaimmrships m e
~eu&lly
throe $0 five year@and then a re-exmination
ie made mad a dsolaion Bo keep on the ame perraon or
t o make a ehaage,
Haw, laat week you saSd %ha% even before you w m t to
Y,I,T. you brad Been in-bereatsd in having Q a 3 Bo
t)a3,ngs ldsersr Sn the ahadow of .tihe paat, belag a
leader in edae&Son. Had there b e a any ohanos
a%%ha8 J;ba of your getitlng %he dewaship here, or
was it really owt'ingen8 upon Perry mslkfng M
w
deslarisn?
Pt w- eontiingssnf~wgon ferny,
Tn faat, ahw I talked to Bob Sgroul in 1944
about aoang Into %he Uepwhm8 even aa s teaahex
he @@id, "W@119 X &
O
R
'
* f-k %hey'U WWP YOU, ~d
gau don't w
w
l
?
tCo go where you're not wanBadmw
And I lawghsd and 3 @aid, wI
ssupgogle tha%'s right.
Userat Y?hhwas abx~PSsr.
Wwatcs~t Tee, %&%PI war befme X Book the M,S,f, gob,
X t w
a
e
r q u i h tirue fhli wS8hoz;rt @43E.!l?, i-b wmX4
have been v e ~ y
muah hm8er Po make ~seChe dean,
Wesrat W
h
y wotz1iW t %he'$ have wanted you %hen?
W+uvaQrrs Well, .
a pelreon w%oBa8ai.d Ma m y (80 owka~pokenly
as f have muat oan;.ewbly have gsaple who don't
Z t i b -4
Rietsa o Tea, $he lime twt$ele en ret&a%ngaduaaLCo~ag i a h s s ~
you as be* highly s~n%ravers21X,*
Warertser~ Many people think S'vs besen gZven too moh (3red$%
b
a
6
m far what wow3Q ham happened ~ ~ r r p a y ,
whi~bI
I
roba ably f&z enotlgh, Or soroe o f the people whs'd
bren in the s d B ~ ~ l
and wanCed $ 0 do 811 fhess
e b g e ~
d werent% able t o do i B because they
wexentf dean wexa regretf'ul, One of the $a@alty
rnernbe~em i d $0 @orneboilyelas when I firs* came,
So2 %hingm we w$.~ltetE
%Q do a l l $his tins, " It'e f a i s
BowcaaSevo %b a &aalam.X oawser.
Wf@a#
r Wglb&&~@vqn
h~vlgmf8&e~*.ByB8
~owlerwm~ r $ n
b
s
b a z e d
M&U%@$ h Q Q X X B ~ ~ ~
Wrmtert 4 . JJw~ou8h
H
G& IBZT%@Q~
giaea an a3?0h%tsatnwa3,
bao-~wd scsllxs~le~
mrvsloura $@;(;la l l Bhr Da~tnaouth
en. O
a
t
4 of %he X&y8 02 *he Rag Btoree go* hi$
wh@Js w%knetwledge Char@,a
d
,
IS beta head 02' t
;
b
e%asr -4 i w r quiQrawlsalthy haf@abZre t o buy modem
wt; Wmf Be WOUL&
~ Q B
have had Bha judgmtsnt t o Buy
wigho~ttfisr D~lmo~+,h
experieenaa.
&Q'W61$9 &@h 1-2 Wid 5 WQF@ ibh@t b 9 d f n n ~ ~ & -
$ion#, really,
fbea s b%$ af ooafusiea 0me in ae we were going
cm, a d aonetlasar once df4nftWon wha8 the athex pw-b
o f %hesahsol wae la-, es we finally ends8 up by
havingf, in 1954, 1955, 1956, r~mewbwealong i n
Bheze* 81 great sgappamsiua of all. our ~ B a f f ,who got so
eqsr t h e %heyqe&% tihrsa, nigh%s a week for a couple
or week# an jue% ~arrriaula~
mat*sam, We direcovbx~d
$ha% w e ~ y b ~ d y
w
w $xr$r@
%O maker "the whole ramH
eve~y
C Q ~
m
a 2
1
3
0 one w
a
r
n % e a a h i ~ ~
any arohitel~haze,
es we had a rigM ~6bd~f-PaQtLTi9 have t o give csnoa@b
dc!&.U
80 ra&XSy6#1~&'1B341
8he P@FBIOP BO ape& ~ ~ w ~ n g l y
9Xa6e a d no* haw iD dens @varyttwm. & Vobrn0n
btibtare saya, nlfter dl, 8n w@hi%ecrt
doee haye $Q
deaign a bukld$ng. He ha8 t o do a building An f9s
$QJ?B~. "
by %be way, Xtve just; come from %he new
Bnvi~onmentaSDe%;t@ Buildiw, tans i.tirsgoing f o be
aagnif%asntp Xtte go%% t o be juat exaotly what X
hoped it would 'be, 3 wwfed 1
4
r $0 look l i k e a
*ha% no Begen% wouS,dt I
-
, an8 i
t
'
s going t o 100k
of *ha%, 5 t 1 a go% wonderful arpacebu -- all the
dutkta E J ~ Q Wiaai&e. T t b abrtlsludely WiuiaheB, rough,
uoau4ih, and brilliantly afroag. !Chi.@ia the wey
a ~ o h i t e ~ t m e
ia Best done. !&at% w
h
y old bui1ding~
are nemly alwsya oonpaBible fox ax~hiteot~.%he
&V%TQ?UR€#EL%&~ BfteSL@3 3eJuild;tnl$ .I-* the O P B O B ~ ~ B
~f it
in eonactapt $a 8 bu22dhg done by Paul. &I&aSpha$
Pala, aa in+turningl $&A%@ bzlld9ag, good, bu*
oppoasise,
f had lumh a$ the Studeat Union Ooday Boo, a d
gaw Charlea 9!l.Pd@ntewhdaw, whiah is up in %hernedi-
W&?dLb.e@~ WkJc~nS.Q@P+
f@U IJZQPISB
&
? I Q %&b 8L L~tDka
Ybatd enJay it, Z$'B a bsf23%$11-tt
%tiin&,alm~srt
ovwpswer2ag forr %ha.ram, 'zzuds .f:h&Oge
a go@d fauZB.
a* 2 ~ ~ i 4 %
t r i ~ & a ~
02 &MY; i v o b ~ o g a g
PR @@as,
really.
12ies&ar: Vha d2d it?
Wamtert Pile%,fran Paris, and 1 %hiakh
e
s a the same m a
who did the, 2189;le ataioled glates in the murafa
buildfw [Rez~s
8a.123. DeHaxa vaa one aP the
arehiteetel of ifhe building,
You ~ Q W ,the lawyer Sbr the University fin&
%ha% Bhey can't h a m wadding@5
.
a there, besaws 90
would be aas+wlm, f %hi& tbZ@ is jus%.plain
noneenaea, I think SL% wuaM be a wanderful thin&
if a gera~ormcarts@ abouC Oaifornia 30 have a t e d d i q
i
m
a B b O roan, And &a. TiltIran would like i.1;. f
hag@%he lawyes, a ~ ~ a 3 .
ab~tmetionl~%,
is beahxi
down @omdayon %Ma, They have b&aoalaurea%pbs,
whish m
s ~leralt;ax&an*W
h
y ahouldag
t a wedding be
~anoidaredthe Bane a8 a baaoalauresBe9
BSesse To% said aboa* $he wcbitiitatwe building $hat you
Qbaqs3
3&&%r %hey 12ka duB.le-gie sUek .Oh&nge~.
f . 8 ' ~
aw$ally hard 80 pal&asvwykhtng aver, B e y
rtibb&e&wara
* %he Uear w d lavar.ti~@y
.tihe bag bnsa
vrsry ~fke3a. 3 dont% know haw %hi8 one gat by them,
[In re'eareaae .fro a telephoaiir 0
a
3
.
1 xe~eivedldaring
i ~ t e m P e w ] That [a g d i t h g er hi1dSng by thap
Iteeen'4~~f
ie what; youvx@
going down 80 the Rsgen%s
rmttre&ing in LOB Angetless t o do %moxxowT
Xesst aul A
n
r
e
r
h
e
n m d A;lllea bulldbg 001gom@w~
In BhaB !l?bie ark$~slethere were quatee, oxitSadmr,
og $he n m En~i~am(i)n+tnZ I was
Dermi$n h i l d i n g ,
w~ndbringwhe%hesr baiZdlag ie eonridered f a i ~
@ ~ i % b l a J ,
grwrns befoae i . 0 ' ~f i n i ~ h e d .
Well, la the a3~.t;ioI,e,
$hey laereLy clw.basned -- Zn my
in$f~micb-w
wS%h B
B
x
, ZLah I lslximera%atdall %he thlaga
I %h~u$h%
were %he %LQ~~BIEI BB ~633.
a
6
3 ~ L P I X ~ B
in fhe
whole airsrrsceatbLage of facBs. A
n
d the TWe editoxlsl in
the East cham noat of the holes, in~tead~f the
at he^ pmta o f %be t
h
*
.
Row when I, $or b18aa108~ha& @aid %hat1 wantea
Bhe &avir~mnenIt&L
Deeign B~lild;tagdo be a InaiXtiiag
$ha$ no Bag,n.t would LIRet, o
a
h
t 3 meant w
a
a
r Chat X
wanted s sough baild2qg, no3 4 ewe@%lrt1136l.ng, an13
i t r %
going $0 be rough -4 f%'s g ~ i n g
t o bs a
v e q ff&nebu9ldbg for i t a pupo%&;Zt wont%
~ S W F X O W ~ ~ hinge^
yQ1;1wi*h n8i$*~-]ljLiDc4f$&ffh@19 OF
Zika $ha%, %haasilings m e 1leef-b ogera, with all.
.&hepipes csxpoared, Bv@q"blziiqjfEI done 1Pke $ha%.
WwepBhalaen, no mati%arvha% the opinions we 02
4
i
h
s
e h i l b S n g , is St legitimate t o tender tiham
opirPione before %he Wilding i s built?
We&%, 1 Phink thoee axe jurat; word@in the Time
mt&alcs,and notb3Jig Bo do wi8h xeality. They
m
e j u ~ t
Tbetse warde,
h
.
t
rin t U e qu~s9iaasf when a building ie really
fifii1a2294. POT Frierte~ncs*%he laurin (50~18yC%V%Q:
am%sx by Prank 3
C
1
L
o
y
d Wxight, aan it Be considered
f i a i ~ h e d
be$or@ 8he Janda~apingis put in, ox before
the 1and~eapin.g
h w grown %a fill i n the ear%haxafaa?
These tihinga3 again are not black ox whtte. X$'B
l i b geogleg when i a the m~ga5fi@erzt
momen* in one's
1Lfe.? %hemyou get rnetrrRsd? When you have children'?
W
h
e
n you wri.be ftl baok? What %B i
f
0
9 B w m thing abmL
s bni18tagc 5% Ma a U these vai~iable8, l a 50
when %he ~~arrrtrn@t&on Ta it dcne vhen %he
iti dens?
LanBsreapag 58 ;tnS
The, krk, fsr insBtm~e,ia a xige buSldbng4 9% h
a
m
beern 1if@i3
La, ittar been used, it's been beatmn up
and etvery%Wngalee* XBt s wive(li. O
w bwLLU&g
PP&U &wbl#%y
y@at?a
ire m~ive,
taka
W
a
s the earnitfee of acbiteuBurs, g l m i n g , tstnd
landsaape wohiQestn~e
%ha% yon ware on i~ 1954 the
bsgimning sf planning for *he new college mrange-
nent?
Actually i B exist;ad in a$ ~ i n d
olwayaa, before even
I Game here, that wet should meats one entsity
adminSretrartiveLy. &chhtsc%ur~ was by itrereli,
l a d o ~ a p i n g
w a ~
in qrieult?xt?e, and oity rand!
zsgiond planning was all by itself t o o , a d we
believed we would have a sfzong@r lisiaoa if we
could get the building togather a d Che people to-
gather, euld a l l under one admiai~txstion,having
Joint couraea and joint evtming lectures in s large
ZesOure hall. say 300.
You cowla h ~ s
go-ktiatn tagcathell &n a new building
#ithowti the new ~bdmbniat~aIxL~s
unif, eonldntt you?
Ihat 'ea coxxaa%, bu% it 's ju#f l i k e a pereon whots
eap3oyeB by the ~Ga%a
t o &o something as compared
do the person wh~lranploys8 by %he oi%yt o Be, 861~6-
$hiag, If youtae employed by the city your first
c a l l o f duty fa to that oify, na%nraLly. Ylfhe~eaa
yawl. Zilret s l l o i du%y m5ghd~be t o aathsrr city
nemby whrars ysu @ugh$ t o Bo more wo~kfor %ha,
By being in P
h
e
e efalleg@a
d
! E:nvi~omnet~liaI.
Deerign you e
m do ysw WQFB whesr@'tTer
$
.
@
a Pets1
itr, neededl in lm4saapkng oz a~ahi0eatureom
oity plam$naf, and a way you're par*
09 %he P I Q I U Z ~ ~ if ~QU'TB in a m h f 0 8 a 8 ~ 6
%~ZBPI
only, youfrba a o t park of tchss picstur~.
Me you 41aXking abou$ ~Wden8atro~faoultyS
FsreuS%yin partiou3ax. Ye hap0 amy Jo;tnt slflces-
p~iaslesm
d
l jelvlt apgoin+hebnt~
that Z value very
122gM.y. The o a y peaa;t.l;y the man para, of gouxee,
$3 %ha% he ha8 tto go t o t w ~
$a~uXty
meetingar, aa8
$h98 t&m~ goxiOs a lot of'flme,
And the Un%v+m~Lty,
dosa f l encourage more aolleget
Lwei adminl~trrntivaruniera? Do %hey lrtke thie?
ghsy like very muah wha4its ha~penedl, In fas-k, they
enoouraged ~e Lo go on and do $4. And iC was very
anuch done wi%h adrniniotiriat%veenaourqement, All
%boughAoademfa 5kma-t~
~omm&%tees, of o s m ~ $ ;
we
went %bough%hezwmber whole x l g m w ~ 3 et o ge% 1$3
i B had to be aeceptabd by ou;r ieXlow greieaoora.
Jaak gent owrled 3het ball. Be did the aa-a1 work
Wurs.t;ert	 of draibing %he'I&giela%fon
%ha$ had Bo be pre~ezlCotd
Co C
b
s
b senatdd .t;o form %hi8nbw college. Jack K4~tl-b
dltd a l l '%,hework.
~ c s l e s ~ ~ t 	
~0.sthe exiitenc. oi the ~oli*glt+
8ugge.t that more
~ieee8t~~b w i l l go alli?
O C W V ~ ~ Y
Wurwkext 	 Oh, yeo, very dtai?h rjo. Wdve go% oms magnificent
ressareh rpaos. in fh* new building that w i l l make
it% gossibl;a' t o do all manner of thing8 that we can't
d6 now,
Uesmar	 'Vhs~8types o f re~ea~cth?
Matexiale x~seareh't
Wur~ter$ 	 W ~ U -- you have t o be careful that you don't fall
bask lato %he conponen-t~
of arahitectwe rat;her
% h a the 'gutting of thiwe 'togetiher of archiQeo.tiuria.
Iri other words, if you go back So components you
then g e t s%rengthof materials, and this is an
engineering thing pure and sibple. W
e woaldn t
campefe with %ha%, but we would conpole with the
nethade of pubting things Bage%ber,vPkiah i s srohic
teatwe.
Riaa1~1
x Would YOU have room l o work, OX play, with aomthing
like Buckmin@%er hllsrra ge~dss%a
damm?
W1~8css: Pea, we wauld in %he new building. Buolny B u l l a ~
Baa begs heze as @supAerof t
b
r
e
a
r
, and he om@t o
1
.
9
,
$
!
, my rsrw@g@~$&o~,
$ Wow him very weL2 an4
I
o
m
nBtweted $0 h a . Ham you EPVWhew4 hlm %alkP
feU, he e like O
h
l
a PlZard Pipet: of Hamlin, Be xeraly
$ O Q ~ ~ ~ B OZIQL1q flutlee and everybody Pol1ower BSoa.
$kid
Be a m talk a
l
,
night, $00. Har eBstnUe tzp an the
p;l%tBfsrm and sraysr, "Donv$OesZ rsroa~zyfor me berartludsa
%]aerlaro IihZng~w%IX @omg ~ a d t s d l y , ~
aind lao on, and
8ben he $e8s werybtiy g t k ~ % i @ i p b l t i ~ ,
md the WQ@&@
%amble otlf. He %6121C$ 8
1
1 -4 on, dnna hr nr@nezlira;s%
YOUc
He stme t o the Vn%vereiBy 410 give 6 ~ 3
0 z 4 l ~ w y
tU, and he talkad O i l X one es*oh~csPt
in DwZn(ir32e,
a t h jaJsiooz~bus~hqg~ o m 4
Clm&inrp;J-- they
%auLdn3t resg %hs $low. Ihe d ~ a n
o f aaienoe at
H.X.Z., Beorge Har~%~on, $amkBy Club
want t o
$0 a Fuller ls&naxts aiad Bu&y JhSler had a irazaet 3
a
h2a hmd re;g~~td~~rnOiag
&L~Z equafian a d +khanhe dfd
aomeOMng with i
*
thaO ahangad the #qzaC%on,a d
Beo~gs
E ~ r ~ i r o n , taoxneDhing
~1aiB$
%g goah, that m
m d i d
%
h
.
f
k Q @ W 0
0
k
r
l
m
1
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~@PP@R[ R ~ - * B@El &Sa&3$
Bcirce- not asrso~Sa8cedw&thany aznArerleSty, 02 frrre'bPsitulion?
He 5s rlrftih &he Pallw E ~ ~ Q W Q B
BowdaPian ma hia $ow
$0 sever& ~lniverroritisse t i l l . REP^)^ bet3~1enore
ex pa naive^ axso hefa very dlamtp-bbgg %o Ohe azomdl
l%fb o f %he#afiool, having him @om@ SYI, bd~aume
~vemy10;hbig
#%&pa, belime he i
a
r now bapr$B at
PImther~Zllixmle Un%vttgraSbya% ClsurbendPrle*
B
B
a
y
b
e you ~ o u l dm
m
e Und QI maarQe~
dtlaisiaera wZtB
!~!xQu~~~EI
i~j,
YOU 0pqZ'b'b $he,* W
a
r ~ ~ S O I E L O ~ C ~
$aq$ tBV%Fyr
Body elme Zn Bhe mh@olwants %s partdslpaitr~, All
$he a%a&an$s
wmB t o ba 2n it, Law~enaeAnz1ersan one
t-e teLd mer tM6 at I.T.T. tihey e t i l l ha4 h$m cmcse
in ia while, btnB &
L
L
w
a
;
y
@
a$ %he endt a f the $@?a, beaauae
afl~atzl
Buoky Wller l
e
e
$
%
there w
a
r
n neQMagf o do but
%a g t ~ k
tap Bhe gbe;cara.
f sa%dm@s%er c ; l l a a @ ~ , but ae$ually 5 aeazn w
h
y o a t %
reomeone like %119x) her ttrhazed with hhe whole @aspael
B a y people are inBerars%e&
in araM8satunze, but there
doeant% seem %o be such publie lec%uss-%ype preasnta-
%ion or dlsmonutsta%i~n.
ZC'a very tma in the world
05 a19 the D h i ~ g ~
sf any p~siesssiont h % t7&~'~1Lly pw"fiOf l i f e abou8
goa l t l a wahYIMtuml beowe@you aaba3.m sZZ aorta
of L h i % & B fon# a
e
J well a& v9x?ritcsao9mu h o w , And
r
e
n
t 80a@%frn~11 h881P0m8 a b ~ u t
CP~iftg
9h%qg$
&$BBt e ~ y
be~a~prc9
you ~ Q W bar be*t;e~or ware@ it wflb
Be wsape --%tt@ 8n.t; BueW Fullen hm
r~eaZlyera,
no Boubts in We rnitr8g hai@mre. He'ss a woad@rful
hQ1ranbein$*
PQUnea.t;i@~aad
bsfoae that you had et vlari'king etamalt*
tsab Es*re.
W
e had -- and h m e WPC axe $wading on .t;Mn toe --
wee had a vjisitiag ao~wii0terrZPh ~ehite~dmreb
famed
hepar 8%Berkeley (a@we rprsllre of at M.I,B, ) ,nn8ler.
greasuxe f ~ o mthe Oalifoxnia Qannsil of Arabitec&e,
But $he 8ozamZti.&aem
%
e
s
t
B
e
o
kthe52 fmc.tiioa aompleBBs2y.
80mehsw we didn't oamzawzioa%ewith Chem adequately.
Ihey waterdl t
@
r
Beat o
v
e
s
s the xua~1in.g
of %he de]le&rnent
an% tb@y hlada" xrrg~L;1,~g
Bhe background 80 do $hi@, f
w&a for h8fin.g Ohem bta p@opleia the f i e l d $hat *he
pzosgee0f'pts ~tudentaaould see an4 $alk %so -- %he
hA&B arehool te~udfelstar-- but t b P ~
didn't aeeB $0 satirs-
$7 tiham at all, lao &Qer Ws neetSngaa there, wwra no
02 %heosllege h
e
r
d reaabted them and they thou&% aaah
a a~mai.tter~
wozxLd be abl@ to ae$tlet i3, by good will
ca#d $hrough aDa$~w;td~b
rep~~s%n%a%ion
W
h
y Bid $ha, narart bo%hesr*hem?
bhe loea 02' Dhe war& HmtthPteatura*and w h 8 %hey
*hou&t that lorn hp3ieB.
Wars %heypeaple oolsneu$csd with sduoation in wehi-
teofmre? Or a88 t h i ~
Bheir fixati ~antaat?
Ro -- though an@o f $Be nen wwa a man we had let+go
Psom the f a W l y , a d be war@ not;v e ~ g
happy nith being
let go. We t;haughf i f would be a raagnanboaa geo4ws
aa oar part but i t turned au%$6 be an unoons.txrtaati.cr8
one,
But ws ?@elthat our taahool ha8 Qoucb wf%bt;hts
profwsion tMo~gh%he f a ~ t
*ha% all1 our pemgle are
gran@diaingambitram%@,
X t iazfO ae if we were in tiin
Svory 90wer. Zn bu~ineers~ ~ ; e n i ~ B r ~ ~ l o n
her@a
v I $ i t b g osmmittae o f 018 tygstme ha@ a yearly darner
aee-king, and if' 8 s gleaamf wr~@menB
and it geBs
the eduaa8ox~evld tihe buaineaesaen $ogeObex. Sfhere
$@tarre
eithutr a P
$
& ~ganIn bkg business, or on the
fa~u28y. Buf J: was against tt h s ~ e
besaua~i b webs
not needad to e e ~ v e
t o ti@
g ~ a c t i ~ a
t o eduea.t$on,
Bra~tioe,
a d e&uoa%rfen
m e already tied in the archi-
Bee+ure depsurClllenB, A l l o f our faculey praa%%@e,
Uoxeov~x,Bbe Bur@ proctfaa people ars not up on
&iu~a%ional
themy m d they w
m
t
j to empha~isefhd
W
h
a
%did the Ualiisrnia GToua@Oof Brohiteate
siol?u~&y
do?
And w h a t was itt you though* the oo@tCc~@ could
gsoiltsrbly do?
be oharmad with the role o f g d v w infomation t o
U
g
h aahool atudenfs, being a r@om;ziQing
a d inform-
$So& body ou* in the vaJ.l@y&own@, eta.
Aatually, a l l the wppoin0eee were pleased w i t h
over the aCa%b, I I P ~ ~ P B ~ ~ ~ % ~ ' U V W
pieked gram a31 over,
rsamls0imea our ~wn
gxadulatsrs, @ornetrifflesnot, %%arej
w
w no ssney t o gat he^ therm Bogefihes a d ga th$
had t o oome BR their own a t s m fox tj~melan4
cszpenerse, wkioh i@ B gre19tO SBVOB t o a ~ k
sf peragls,
a
t a
a
r 2: a d d , aFbsz? 4ms aee*ings, frr whP@hthey
gxeneern8lad ulti&a.oWae, ZB bsn8s8, Then when leysl?san
wa@nslaed ifem a3f the gollegs we Ohotzgh* dl1 would
bxeak loaere,. T% d
f
&
'
t
r
, m d there its grm2.ng
~t-swoe sf ~lndgene~al
knawledge
aaphi$%i~ai~ion on
%he of ~ ~ ; F Q ~ ~ ~ L C B O % E I 80 set
tilaatr i B %a er0ug;td
nrw:zsw wh8e ~inaatafor sauoetti~a.
EQWQid yon m x $ ~ e
a* the am!aragement sf erpaos for
the new snvirom~n.t;al
d e r ~ i p
Zrudlding?
Wela, t h i ~
ia a11 dons by co~lmi*4@@ an
baaed
femlae md by %haetuaJr e%am¶ard&
$st in the
grea% Eigher E&u'tsraPionBiBudy in CaliSarnil~1, &d wha*
we ware able %o 40 wae $0 get sm engaeering assay
whish gave nla researoh lslbo~at:osiear,and we dara
80%iso many aquare fee* per ~taden-b,wMeh wouJc¶ 8n&bl$
him Do have4 bamn as I've apokan 09, a21
Bhe Bin@i
a his a~llsgsLife, dhla ba2ll%ng hae
titquipmaarnt f o r 640 hklsahPti.eaWe sdu6lsnimt we, have
690, B
~
b
o we're the new 'baiZd2ng and we're
ggdng in%@
hll up*
k
t wayre 9~Xwayfahoping X1ngain8 80 $08 4lnge;los
-I+
--
%oraorraw(whioh re~indfffa@, 1 mus%havet Mxa. Ruaeell
get ms ao~ebodge l m on the telephone atan you
stop thc thiag f ~ r
he33 t~ mlnnts~)--
[M%eprpacuam] 80 wha* a ~ s
you gobg +o do aboaC
t
E
r
@
asowding i n ~chilksaQu3*&2
f @ ' ~ e
$*fig fo 861%& d@pwBm~nt
sf azrahit~oture
etmted 8%V @ U , S
P
s
r thirtraa yerrsr~a TCve b ~ e n
glow+
i a a it, W
e 116e61 m~%hea*
one in the ~jiCa%st
w~lrhswe 790 a~?oh.LDscr.3ss
her)@, aud $hatq@B v e ~ y
lmge
n m b ~ ~ ,
lget00n4 in %he aounW;P, And over half our
ra%ad@n%ra
aoae fron boa.,Aa@Ckeca puzyway,
They have no ieqh~oJ,
o f areh$tet~turs,
now a% UOLA?
Ho, we're %he only QepazAmonet;of a~ehitiac8wsb
%he UnLverrsriS'$ 02 @OLI~OFII~
IP$s%@~,
Pasant%you once on a 6omm5btee d f a ~ ~ a ~ i n g
having
a schosl 09 &ruhftaotu~sat %Be Swta Barbara oampue?
W
h
a
t
! it; w
a
s
r w
a
r
a that; 1 w
a
r
s on a comlt;tes t o look a*
where we mi&% have it, whfoh wauld inelude San.ta
3wbarha, Irving, or UQLA, W
e deoided it would be
more 8%4sme -- ga~tiu?ala.rly plaanixig with
aJ.1 the graduate work a%U C U ra-bhes Bhm in
Bwberrrra W M C ~
Its B U O ~
mQZ?@ cslz Wldelbg~aikla'b~
o&BlpUe.
And $t 'o vary Bwa to get a.bagi when
w wcohiZ;s~%-xar&l
you get out of %hti~
large urban seefl'oea~er beaau@cblyau
Bee4 a ma&y par%-t;hep e o p l ~who give time
%o %he$r
pzsotfce a&& Bhen @om@ in par%-time a#
web do here, $ 0 ~
a leatur~or Go 3ea@h9
and we ban
$litp B;cillian+ people Bo do i C a d $hey don't have
Bo %ravela peaB dfe-kan~e
to pc~zltiaipaCe,you m a .
Well, tihat r b a l d wolse the gr~)bl@ar,
We BMnk $ha$ they wo~3.d siphon of$ LOO people righ.t
away, The emaPlm~ernfhere hafa beon sltatia f o r $he
la& few yoaxc. 690 or 780,
1% asaye t ~ ~ u n d
h e plma a% BOU eL6lee t o &crtmolityT'
Ohi very mueh, W
e h w e a 6smmLttee w~xkingon i%
w$$h %he aharzeatl~m, f~obably
next year ..,
Ihexe were B Q ~ @
other noBetblg diifepen@e~ in Burri-
c
t
w
3
.
m in mshkQeotaxe d t s x you beeme dean. Why
w o ~
Ohese as n 0 ~ e
work in I~UIP+PFOQ
lhoae who tau$ht ~ b u l p h r e
wanted $0 have s major
in the 4 i ~ e i p l i n s-- much more than a sexlvioe course
945 6lrohS8ea%iure,$0 it bsLorlged in %he a t &epar%ment
wi..th el&oBfve@
our s%udentrscould taka, If %heywazlt
$0 take soulg~wrtaa8 an elsotira werre de12ght;sd ts
have $ham,
And Oherre'-sa oowee i n pzsier~csiolaa3.
preaotiaalrs mi4
aprseiiica%Ions,whioh 1ssme8to be asmething n ~ w
aJ.80.
W ~ l l ,%ha%'a a ~mxet9
tbakiqa#ever been
tamPBLy sua~es@$t&Lyboae in lany I P ~ O Q ~ . 1 &em'%
h o w haw @u~~del&18fil 1
6
:
b
1% r9er here, red59.
g@aer&lLy
g f v w by one o$ .tihe, e3&&6x=nsaambrarhl of $he
p3og~aeionwho BeLZar what eg#~Lf%caa+i&axa~
%xyBo 40,
and @c;t $ox.th,
Bow &a you acWaLPy kewn $0 40 the erpeei$?iaa%ton@T
& L ~ B
I le&gxn~d
80 &a $hens. @hen JE go% oat 1
: had a
hsuee Bo do and 1: lawned f
c
s de A$ +ha h a d way.
Haybe thatf@
the bee* way, 8peoifi~ationevmy
wi3k the yewar w d mbw t;eshiquel fae d l we ~hould
teaah is the PX0419a61q
The Q P X ~ ~ Q U & ~
&ra very nuah like a saeQ of
opeaif"j,aa%lons, Qu;trxicmLw %a no9 as f~portm%'aa
$he $sal S t aesvai, nor are ~psa$ffaa$ione a
f
a impor-
%~a31Bas the bulkdi~$they Buildc Xorz have t o have
% h a bemuse you h
a
a
m 80 make e w e you have a ehat~k
Lint?wbi0la insLwa@ed l item@to,make 8 b building
oempltb8aa.
m
g
%
B
do y ~ u
BbiU of Gbe AXA 6ommisars%oa'@
eruggcrrsltion
o i a gaspam for w ~ M t ; a e W meohoalar of study t e d s ,
mut wo~&b@(~Jfa, d + ~ $ g n
p~ob;Lgl~g~
and' ~ ~ o ~ b l n ~ b & a d a d
% ~ a v e l w a19 ~ ~ g m 1 ~ 1 i i a ~ e n t x a l
cb&&bi.BiS~ara~
poin*?
Sfn a
& $0 e w e 02 .&laira
a
r E am eeura, sf having things
%ha% lntrexest the stzad4an8$, wha%har ft be %heir own
ox ~=bhell: b8v8 a ~ s ~ a t i o n r s ~ g
%h&ngaJ th& t o 4~heix
Q W ~
anils~kvax~Bwt ~f Bbe p~oblem
wftrh Bhla world we,
live in zr?Sgh-bhers in Bak@Lsyi~ Bhe rf@hnarsea$ the
rsnrr~m4, 1Chezls w
c
a s
s
o marry musseums, eo mmy arulsioal
18~8El$f~,
80 aaay 108Wxe~ ~ ( D U
easily rzevl go t o *bee
Zetsture~s week bere on Lhe a-pus e- and a11 thia doefa
1f3ze g ~ ~ d ,
i-k 8aems $0 me, than tihe axhibb*~. 3 would
m.t; V ~ ~ U P P $re1 that too
+heme) BP hig'hly, ra~reele~X
m ~ h
st&ierrnalil;ertlon of fsletglawask 8oernntt amse %he
'k@ PLOW SOW w i $ k b , %hink of p~l0gls
EzZl UdegendiantLy doing their t v ~ ~ k r
2Wat waaldattmew $hqy nigh* be 800 xegion6~1whw
We26 thX~l@J.?
Hst; n ~ e e a s ~ ~ i l y ,
and eupgosra they wstre negional?
Iben I f Bhey w
& $0 mother p m $ 00 the worl8, they
w~u3.dhave t o ehwgs. 2 h i ~
would be a good develop-
marx3-b in i-&seLSI m
e
y axight ae well be a b l ~
t o do a
tun$ mpasbly well where thqy ma, lig 1 I$$ here
paxhape itta @~cauae
o f %hievery faat tha* X W O Y ~ Q ~
Oex~iblyhard .t;o make an unsel9csonasious st;faok on
the p~sblemI;h& would no* be Uposed,
'IF@+when you wen* %Q armtibar ~;~rea,
the Bostoa ma&,
y ~ w
&sae no%Co d@a
n
t deeim w~rk.
X am a x~g&onalf~C
%o the 8xl34smt.lt Ph6i.l; X bsliicsve all
hfl4Lnga are on a egssifio attie @ub3@a$
$9 the owstown
an4 n o m oi %ha* @Ate. There awe cscertmin kin& o f
usban thLnga %hat%endBo xredwae regional dif;Eebr-
anneo, aucth aa o$Piise buiZdil~gsin a Bown. &% many
o*her %hinge, like ai%yW l @ srd. gover~msn.l;
buil8Ner,
Q ~ M P O ~ ~ H , anti
spartmenzia, bauaaa all are di9fereat,
@Muldbe d%fisr~n%,%ha% Ss, %he$ shouldnrtbe
dWftexent just $o ba dIf%erent,but Bhey w i l l be
dtff'exrsmt i
f
. %hey eolve $he probbtmm o$ the area.
Y$mars&f and % anat yrseat;errday in fieatifle on *he
Uaiversit~rof Wasbiagton ompme $ ~ s
a day's 4isota~eri~a
on their new bu%ldirq$r~r
up thwe. We have apgoging
BS(~-O~P%$~ b@JieSirp regional differ-
Yams baa #o
and he'@ doing twenty building^ all over the
am14* We Pie8 himaelf t o avexg region. I U ~ C ~ O J L -
~Lrsaed, But whg an 1 t o my, beoauae bets i n the
~ 1 w @ 1 1
e$ p ~ g ~ l m i l ~ y m y ~ ~ t a l d
a d any$bCtn.g l'd
rsarallawed ng br dhq agp;16)aba%im
that he x e c e 2 8 ~ @
~ZWI'@W~,@ES
s 

3fl got in -tihe AXA
a fasling exrrla tihe s~@om~sl(~adltatiorsra
beak that %hay wanB'ea8 both $0 tighten B h i ~ s
up,
a#k@lllWld&~Py C%&3?'bdJ3 %~btsz1il3$a d X~&.S%E&&CIR
mratagemanBiu, mil garadasriaa2ly &% %he same SrSmc~b
wmGed go srae eohiteata ~asompZiauhtheir educer-
%%on -4 be ragis+er&+l
fas$er,
Well, re4giaCratisb dwayrer seme ltro arm%Ca xegulw-
i s a o t e ~ h b a g
and have $he same hole for every-
body 60 go BPL~FQu~~, @lo% t o $3-0%.
and khd libme me $0
Xtm ern ~m.42~regIatrati~n
pe~aonmy8elf i n the ecanes
%hat5 dont%think yon e m IegiaZata tere%e. lhar
only imeassra yst;t have for reg%&rationis the health
art4 craQs%yof people in @ollastfvs+nOe.rg~isea,
Zike in et hall ox a church or ran office building
where i t hea t o be engSaeered properly so Cha-b Pt
d@eanrB P a l 1 down. This i a publio domain a d
~houldrenain euoh, Ban% ae far as t a s t e i~ son-
oemed, I think stat oaly can inngrove %ha1by %op-
aateh eduswkion, &d I donfB believe %ha% regiwbra-
tion ~houldberm ernohing 00 do with design, myself.
For %hehesralBh a d safeft$ &aped?*, wonxd you auggeat
&OlZtet Ulzd of t o help a8bYtWe fh~f?
WetT, I Bhtifak i-t;%i oMef3.y s mrsttm of gsba eduera-kfon,
too& Jow %hey do in 0difsxni.a is have five
yewe fn etn asox~dilsd
aahi$em4w@aahosl, and
$wcs y4ma 0s expmxd$n~e. And $otb'xe able t o
yo= $txs.tr m&na*rEsn, on w h a t has b m n told you,
aa you oWdg bsfom gradu&li%on,And thia bta
%@&lawed
by ~ ~ ~ ~ o t h e r
examJtna%ion,in fleLd wo~k,
%as ye&31"1afbr, om w h a t ysaqve Iswned. Iken
yoatregive# a Ziaen~et o prsto.t;9cs,
u s s sr Thie assas dLfferenti from the praotiee in 1950, 

WureLslr: r t U k so, 

aeslrss: Bnd thisr ia reorne-khing you've been working on? 

W
u
r&ex t Noti I partioularly, hsoauae X doubttheygda by 

xegisBratsion anyway,

Xn m y caae, y ~ u
have Co have the orandidat@train-

i&g part before you take *he ~scandexam. You @anw% 

bypsas it, 

??ha% B o e l ~ ~ e e B , 

O f courBe, if you telS a person you're not an
israhites-b you o m derjllgn anything you wan%, a8 long
oe it p a ~ ~ e e In the Ea83 they
the b a l d i n g lewo,
sf.Ben m&eb it oemgul~ox-ythat d~arwingahave fo be
signed by a rr@gbss$execlwoMBeoO and $here are
g~~sejrauzes
on r@$i~%@r@d mohi$ectsr tro sign aom~thing
% h ~ y
xsa3.ly d&dawtdo, 'lfou ei@ewWt I new?
M.Dh %hi@ a$mdardi5aB9bn, w h a t do you t3o with %he
mt%vcariak,who d138161~ltdo his five yema af eahoslingT
1 %Mnk%he mkk~ft~~20B
h l E ~%B have two more yewag --

fa ~%hexwords, b a t e a d 09 the f2vte and WQ, reeven

Botial, he ha@ Do have nine years of experienca, ae 

S reoall. 

gine yQara, a d +hen hs atan take t
m exam'?

B s i ~
privileged to %ry it, I think this i~

soxrecf;
I may be wrong. 

!Phi8 fa in thie ~ t a t a , 

who goes $0 @ctho@A,Lea1 and ke8a & 8 0 ~ b
do no*
%&Qu& s~h603.e
Xrs %UP)
s~h00140 YOU get many junior ~ o l l s g e
tsmefera?
Yea, we do iyicleed, and we made a statementi %ha% says
ks the=, You ofan go far +he fir@% year %Q a junior
~ollogeand if' you have a cswrare Cha-k1eparallel to
o w Arch 1 and 2 welL1 accept it on its face value
m d youPllS
o
t
s
e
t r50 time. If, hswevsx, you .Cr6%nsirer
bonae, xs&ly, t o a better e a u ~ a t i ~ n
g i v ~ t o the
perreon,
X had mad %hatN.f ,
l
,
offered lshorC oowxrstse,
of#f~esht?xa,
fax praofioing arahitecta. D ~ e e
Univ@r-
s&ty Wt%nsSonhere do ay%hLngsimilar?
%ha% WOXBz
a
% I
.
Z
.
2
, 18 minly f s a paaeti~%ng
a3By
plamaxs. ?hey give fn the
a two-weekat ~ o u x ~ e
~umgbr,a very fmsue t3oms@, an4 it been given
mexy yem. Th2e fa about i%s 4ment;deth year. In
fact, X %oakIEL W O - W B ~ ~ ~ '
h OO'UTI~ t
~ ~ at @.ISTm b
3943 %s further a y p l a m at Btxm~upd.
Jetre earning Boward ~ p s s i a l
shark coaxaaa anore
a91 the $ b e , wiGh @ominP~clinein cthwgs a l the
&xteaaion oowaes $or the CI~lLsgs09 Bnv'iro~mentaJ.
Beaiga. 2
U
e
r wi3.l be true ~aztAoularly
when we go
into aJL-yeap-round %eacbfng,wwoh prsmnta many
pxob9em$ one of %haterm mighO include aome of the#@
two-we~ks0m&a,
Xow, %hearewere same obhes oommifasian recomendarl;iona,
in %ha arsa of training --
In %ew@hing. eta%~
wsa 8-17, woan't it, aandidate~
fm 4~eaohing4 Z'hay ham owierd on for nay yatarrsr
a t w ~ ~ w d e k a ~ of yowg teaohem, masPbag
Q O ~ ~ % I ? ~ M Q ~
W ~ Q X Bthey setid, ~ S B
way ga3Q; %he AT& pagar pax%0%
A%, and o
r
r
e gay p m of 5%. ;Sin 'Ban Des R p , an
assietant p r b f a ~ $ o ~
hare, ha@ gone $his year %o
Cx~bxaak. And Bemy Lagor50*s been, and Ken
agwt%w@llhas been. Imy, many people, We% alwaye
had a member tihert~, Lt 'ar been a g;rea%
sueceae, I:
%hixik. It'e g~ea%
for young people 30 Oalk to @one-
'body their own a$@, 2hey h
a
v
e
3 cardexenoe gZWgX;%m8
w%$holder prastitloners broughB Ln, I've been asked
t o go raad make Balk83 I never have been able t o go.
Ehta-&is in-berestEng, T had mew%
in-aerviue-training
durUi.g %he .tsws yema &%ex g~aduat~S.sn,
though.
Qb, well, t k i ~
kaetging of a xsaord book haa nave2
worked out. It B B ~ B
8~ very cumberraome meahod t o
keeep a book rao %ha% your bsaa w i l l wxfte i n i3 whaB
he %9n3craabowt you and a l l %his sor2; of thing,
2Us ha8 never bemn sucuseoful, I think. f h a w
I've nevea bema able t o do it.
10 dsefe. .eaouad like 8 lot of bookkrs@p;Lrrg,
That's sight, m d if you dontC wa%shoul; you beasme
a11 htaek and a0 k~xnel.
What prog~eeraME!
t b x e been in getting rn wrarzge-
mmt between $he a f i i o e ~
fo take in more new ~ Z ~ F & ~ U E & B B
needing expsrim~s?
Well, thts I s s
a varie4 sa %he individnal, as vmied
ag the can4ida%e, There i~ no @@at gsnexd rule.
There axe ~sver81
of$icss %ha% take people 9n a d
make them do ba-bkroorn~
and aD&a for two yema,
Theze we a*her ~ S f i e w$ha% seek $0 v a y tho exper-
i@noe. O w a deapexately .t;riss t o gave 8hs sa43n $he
gamut of expaxfsnaes -- nseting the cliarti, being in
%he oonferenoes, doing p r e l b i n m i e ~ ,doing epeoificta-
tionsr, doing supervision, a d then we have these
offloe tours every ao sften, where we all go and look
at %he work %ha$ we've done,
You've carried %ha% idea on $ram Delano i% illdxi6h.
Ibsr-kta rSgh*, alDhough in an,offioe a f 100 people
it beoomes very rrzlraberrsome a d hard to do, but this
spring we had a t o u r t o m e about sigh* d l f f e ~ m t
things down fhe penimula. One time one of our young
wen, $aid, "Do you only look at your own things?"
W
e laughed a d said, "Yea, thatto all we've
eve6 	done.
"Well, why don1% we look a% oomebody else%TP"
90 wa go* a house 0% Bw%ra*1
on %he l i a t and
wen0 to @se 2-L Efut aauially you have iero m a y of your
own w d y o u stsaff io gartiaulaly interested in see-
ing the onee that they worked on, They're dwaya a
Zattle ehooksd mil swprlsea a$ wha% things look
Ulre ;enuoe, in ac%u&Lit;y,
ati? e@mgwcsd4
x
1 their
g~ssoncegtian09 them, It's very important to ha~as
%hem see how uxinpor-tant a %inyl i t t l ~
moldbig is
A n $he whole ashwe 09 things, a
c
a eompmsd to the
right rni~zukzreof a&, or va~ltiladion,or appearanala,
The molding %hey night have Xaborea over --
Yes, and it really d o e s ~ " t o u u l t 30 a -tink~~'s
d a m , 

{~taughtier]
You naea2;foned onus &ieagrseing wi%h the Bataha~sidea
o$ lewning %o beuome a glmber. Ys-b the architect
today h a m u ~ h
m o m he hag to learn about materials
w d equi'pmenltr arid %o an, b8snq% he?
1 hope &eytxe taught mora and more Lo undexa%aad
these t h h g ~ ~
than u1a them nsaerre~il;3r. In o t h s ~
wor&a, .Obey nuat have a oamplste understanding of
a l l nspe~.trsof building bu8 %h$o doe~n't mean that;
they do it themseLvsa beaauaa %histakso t o o
much howledge $ox auy one person -t;o assimila%e,in
a rsaoonable time, And the m o ~ timportant single
tUng iia Bha-t a pernsn havet an inquiring d n d , m d
& resgetc.t: f o r hiw col2eaguss who do othw ghaeea
sf work than here woxkbg on, oo tha* at a given
W Q V ~ ~ A %
he UoeB %heEis B &
3 fpi@&a W ally to
produce *he finbt3, regult bscauae it's h i s job t o
do sea, He a in t
i
t
h
l
p
z
p
g
e
~
.
h e the arahStao.ta pzaatisi~gin Borthern OdLiPoxnia
noatly trained bexs?
A gxeat may o f .tihem are 4draead. Sup w h w PrebssfdenB
Clmk Kerm &eked me ;if we were training enough
peopla f ~ r * t S o i ~
CsrlSf~m%a I laughed mad said,
every other a@ho~lin the oomB;ry %staSaingthem
for California.n The hope 02 axaBf%e~Cural
employ-
ment the world wound i a San Prsneiaoo, C ~ l i o z m i a .
Qhemost prowgbtit-~Bar pLatm. W
e had o hundread
apgliaationo this swmer t o teaoh 4 Beerkesley in
BBs fall, T do belisve Bh~re'snot another aehool
in the world, with the goseible exception of H a r ~ w d ,
8Ba8 could even touoh it.
T h e m a.pplica%ionawere from a l l over %ha country?
A l l over the world,
Bsople would hope then t o sst up a praolios in the
wea.
O ~ Q B
they gs8 their f0oQ in %ha ~ Q O X$big Way, a d
a moderate iaoome fron %fi9i80hiagI
then they e m gu%
their tapare Blne t o grae%i@a,
W
e nead never be afraid of laakkg the foreign
in3Xuenoe -- i l t o dlwaya walting %o ge% in the door.
It &@@an ' B get etiPLed in a large offioe?
It's hard t o ma&@ generaliza%iona.
batell, do you think If i
a
r nsaasssxy to tirake Pa aew
gesple Lo geB new idea@; is WxLo looked for fn Ithe
new employee?
W
e hope t o have people of an inquiring mfad, and
skill. And Iqd rather have the inquiring d n d than
Bhe ~kiZ1. It would automatically do the triak that
you're after.
Whiah aan do you wan$? $he na-bive-trained m a , 02
the Xamrtu?d man?
E like the rnixhms, a great; mfxtwe 0 % Eioms of o w
oml aOQI@ f r o @ o%~@F8eh0018c
(IouLd you aay wbetihar, a l l eLe@be1129 equal, them
is any glory t o being t ~ a l n e d
in the Earat?
;iPsll, I jus8 m a d Emtin Maeyex@onBs
report from tihe
Ekm61rd visiting aomi~Beean the graduate sohosl
of deeign, and he oiteta there how behind fa money
$hey ape in a31mmi g i f f s becau~enone of the a h m i
skppxove of what the aahoolfs doing.
It was in 1936 $hat Wa18er Qrapius aasne there
a d aau~edquite a ~sveluOian,and d l th8 sither
aahoola chaageiPp he aams %o Ba~vtwdtan8 ahanged
% h i n g ~
there an8 all %he ather $@h~slsf~llowea
wit %o aoms ex-bal;.
But b r v a r d atill, haanft arslsbntla-b~rd
it?
That ae@ma to bs %ha saos, Dean Joe4 Bert has been
there for %ha last ten yeam, and he ha@ no% been a
happy ah%@@,
Za it oustornary to a h o a ~ emo3her sehool f o r graauata
work in azehiOea%ur@, OE t o go an a$ your under^
paduate ochool?
%ell, IfveaLwaya odv9seB change POP p r s ~ t f a d l y
e~cezybody,bat %hereare a Pew people who f o ~
phyai..
eta1 reaBsna or fox lfinanoial reasone nuart stay hare,
and they oer1-b the $ratip ~torningin wShh different
LBeaa, so itt@ very good, in othbr worde, t o have
thirty graduate student^, four or five coming fxom
your own arehool, the refat from away. The good %hat
@oneserf ~ o m
moet graduate aehooZa is B
h
e
d mixturs of
%h@ studonte myway,
chanzoera $03 a jab around here enhaoed by having
Been away?
W@U,ebanagls fop a job w e alwaya ePlhmoed by neat
tirawingo an4 goo4 mhool axpsxisn~eand good
prsoth@& @kill@,
How mah graauate wozk in ax%hiOeef;nrtsdo yau
have h q ~ e ?
W@ haye about twsn8y iia %hapaduab aLaoo now,
as 1 raoall it,
Do thersret people same direrotly f30n a baohtzlor e f
arahi.tsrrtwre in%o gra4uatcs sshool?
Yes, And they ~ o m q
from a3.S over the world, ~ a m e
f ~ o m
Oarefgzl 1md~
and so on. h d we believe that
P* should as* be a gxolongation of undergraduate
Bzaining t
a
t all; i
*
~ h o w l dbe an e a l b e f y dff8erent
new kind a9 Braining, naw a d 02 tihing -- lesa
bound, leads just one buildinhl;, muoh nore a oomplex,
muak more an urban deafga problem, mah more remearoh,
nose every'thiag like this.
A couple 09 reaeon@ given f o r graduaC@work would
@@em to be Braining -beachera a&BxaSsling xess;arah
p e ~ a o m e l , &t these reaeons make graduate work
@@ern
moxe iagor-ban-t maybe %em yeam later, aftesr
re& ewerience i# tib~f i d ~ l ,
Yell, it pxobab2y w ~ u Z dbs bedtex for the person.
But Bhe trouble i a , i n l i f e .irketas %hinge don't spin
%heir web $ha% way* You gst favalv%d in outaide
~ompltca$i~ns,
a d then you a m ' t oom@ baok. You
have ta wife ant3 family and yau hav@~'.t;
m y money
aa8 you've startieti a graotiZ~t4and $a@ can" take
Bima ~ff,
krce Ohere $el2owshiga?
4 meat; m m y s~lhoolrain the Easst have much more
aoney than we do 331 %hie region,
&enst there any scho3axshigs from industries that
@auld be c~apsfeafor?
W
e have s few soholsrahip~i~ arehlteaOuse? on
the award cesemoay night there's usuall$r t h m e ox
$aur esholarskipe of $500 apiece, You see, $500
help@ %Q sweeliea tho thing, but It iantt @sough,
not for a person with a family, Axad we bwe never
come under Dhe Rational Sctance Foundation3 we arenit
regarded as a acienoe,
8s moat people then do their graduate work befare
Qhsir txaiaing'?
Many times a pmasn doing graduate work is a
teaching assistan% fox the lower gradtea, 10 halpa,
They me given s aalary, and you caa oapxy Ziwelve
tmJ,-ke.
Ye. There &B o nav~mepztOIL f a ~ t
z;o deepen %hi@*
Z8 may take more than one yew, P$w people gat
tkeough Ln olae yotar even now, It weually takes a
yam and a wmer, ecsms%bix@
Like %hatm
58 $hers an eJrhibitS~ao f @?R~U&%Bw ~ x k
ac6md tih0
b ~ i l d i q
~ Z O W ?
5 don't know if thera ie, gaybe Che t ~ a$
e thing
they wsxe d~iLwlaet 'tarn & Q @ s ~ @ % tsa
subject itself
a small. exhib%$ion, That steal same up in the
oowtyard %ha% *hey did -- there w e gictustss ei
%ha$, and I have %he book BhaC $hey g o t out on i%,
A l l C
h
t
a gradaaa%e
a
a
W
e
n
i
~
s
awo~:k@ii
t~gst;herow At7
Yew3e
Xa %ha% Plow it %a generally dons, a problem tb2;
everybody a$taoke?
There is no generally.
Is %her@
some time when the studants lsmn to be
photographers?
Yea, in ths new build* pm-t;iculmlywe will have
m a n g ~ m ~ a t i ~ .
We h m e spme darkrooms nest up hcaxe,
a;ad pgft of &oh 3 and 2 i~ a gradual(=iatrqduct;$~xl
%o t o k i q photographs, 2 h e ~ eare aome rema~:k~bLs
p%atu;r@a
t&@nby %he students in the oa@@
bexorea
%he Librwy [wahfte@%urs
libr-J door,
Za there a gro@pa@li
o f getsing imtefiox deal@& in%o
the Oolle$e o f %nvi;rsmwB& De~ign?
Y
e
w
'muoh ao. Tn $33~6,
$herre w e oormni%%eees
$cC
wo~k
t h i c i n g in %erne,
o f offering a new dspw8-
men8 which would $n'tt~lv%
9nSrer5.o~design, f&dtl&rl&il.
design, m d vwiaua o%he~Ohinga of $Ma eor'b, Wagll
have much mre equipwen8 t o do i t ,
Whwe do peogjle learn indue.t;ri&ldesign now? Any*
where here?
Hot on thia csmpua,
And wha0 other dbre~$foa~l
nigh%%he Oalleger expmd
in?
Well, i t ' s go- 90 expand in a ~esaarebdireation
trenendou~ly,beazluae the Center fox Urban 8-hdi~rn
i~ ooming i n as part si the oollsgs. The nBw dean
[Nar2;in Heyer~onlfa going t o have s o w rasearah
ins%ituQe~und~rhria b t e l q s .
Do $ou think is-bsriox design will eliminate the
de~orativeaz$s dopartman8?
T don't know, f V a very hmd ti0 %ell what direotion
iQ
w i l l take,
I C M n k o f decorative m8i~as being @or$ of femp~rary--
W'uza-bert Tell, it 's awfilly lonely depastrnsn-b, and Bheyvre
going into the nsw building and t h ~ y
might ae well
come unhr our %uBelage iadminfstra%ively, becauee
&et$sx@
& gtsienca ha@ tabou-b tMr%y-eight departrnsnls
,
or eo avld it's overworked, and anything.%heyoan
&L~sar%
t;BhemaeLve:a of would. raake for a better divieion
of labor,
W
h
a
t is the hiatory 09 planning on this campuer2
W
e at Ohe University of Califo5?nPa are most fartuna%ei
beaausa our whole original p l m , the Benard plan 01
1899, was based on a world-wide coiupe$ilion, It
coa* #100,Q00in %hose days w d Mrs. Hearat paid
the bill., 1 t e l l tihe Bobel Priae people %ha% the?
a11 si-t here by token af that oompeizition beoauoe
it proved this was a world-wide university right
off %he bat, Imagine, a l i t t l e mi-ttersity wi-bh
3,000 s%udesn%s
putting on a oampaign like that,
They olemad the whole second floor of the Berry
b 1 3 d i n g fsr an exhibitfon of these gr8a-h piatnares
and plans of all %he cont@stants.
The aeoond t i m e we had a competition was for
the residenee ball@ in 1956, whioh Jack Bmeeke won,
ovsx on Che south eide of the oampua. And %he third
compw$i-blon waa for -the Stn&ent Cenlier, ,whish. P@me
& Baxdison won in 1957.
Bu% prior Do tihe rasridenae halb did Bha aup@rds%ng
arcshiteslti ~$rs%ern
]here e9fWake the need fop conpa-
hit;ions?
No. ?he ~ e e a
woe akwlnya hero, I'd say1 BUD %G was
auatomwy 4
x
1have fhe ~ugtervAsPngmehiteat desim
a l l the building@, Baw we have a con~ultUgasohi-
$so$, wMch job I o~cugyon this ~ampua,and my oh$*
.t;eatmabfizm has arobl&a~%wal
e~miea?ions
biz$ aosO
0'9 %he work LB cl@s%grwdby ~ t b e ~
offiaea.
Do you think there wSL1 be more and moxa oomgetithom?
2% d,egenda on the type of buiZd9ngs. Some baiLllldngs
lead thernselverg %o it o e q rwcllz, I'm ezll %or dLway8
a simphi competd%ion tha-t tries to pa3 over an idea,
that's not a slick artiels.
How about eamgetilione for the other new emg2nses,
like SmBa Csuz?
Ho; the Regents wswt t a gat undernay at $a~.tia
Omz
and a aonpe%itionm&a~ too mueh 4eL@y,
There was 3
x
1
1
~mops oompeDi$%oa ye*, %he
bawrence U m o ~ l a ,
held XstaslC w9rn+kt~x,
which wa@
*erg guoeea~fd., hac3hen and AUan won tha$lo~e,
Tn any ILLCS) .%@wwdvw b;e~t~
bra%@* 2a abou*
1985 ao ap ~eau;Z,t02 $be @wpsWtioawMah $@&am3~b
Pa&# hts8 wen. W
h
a Zkmiw1 P ~ S U ~ ~ H Ia&ma %o mah
%Q
6 r%ldb@uwsWyrI
&
. lawm1, wbs war the thb4 ss f m t h
I
l
i
a IclWla *he6 & Bh@ ~ 4 ~ s * P i % % 6 8 ~ @b@@84
Wac@ 'kO
sme do %Ba1 Z & q &&Mfzi$ m
d t b keep the maet~tsr
p3.m g@in& mad QB Be the S B U ~ ~ ~ V A ~ B J S ~ I ~o f
W C ~ % B Q B - ~
Oh@ mtmpus m
4 %ha a$@w%i't~a on a11 %he
a~@hl%er@$
bWLdingra on gmipua, F
X
e w
a
l
e i i r s t dean of mahi-
?%e@+$ure t& great repqlre brhdnd
hl)lke w
a
d he c
a
m
$ ~ 5 t h
ha, BlP %be brrPldlq$ra herre are$$ 40ne by U m in %ha
@wly
4%y8
+
#a yo% &new, m?ahS%eotwe
i a a very ampfii-
6&@4 30 PP$ f@t~iiI&I$r @88$9BOBLQ) ~d
amei~tfft* &a 1
5
e 8 potriumtSa3 aari~hltetot.
f%oe~ybs&y
@ar low=& ;e~aztrz@i!i sf oad aS %hePegrsxz%s
Ohe em_S.2;g
b
k
6
a %hoa$BtQ$ Bfalt8slf proBatb3y 2a *h9@ rs3e 500,
Y
t
B
U &~V~%$'PI awbjwa'b i
e
m %f3 %@@ m~@h
di$f$Gl&!.w if
y @ ~
Xrt o&ar am 4o a l Z the ws@Ban any .set3mgusSbem
$e@p&$we L$Et$g%~29~# he a aaktng Baa m ~ l h
%ha%
1
Q
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4
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3
+ he% %QQ mu&h~ v . ( B F B ~ ~ An& ere,
os by 0
1
3
6 itha,
k
s
r WW a aaaaa&Wng@csh%$s~+i 1927 whm he WMI
ua-b&fig
WwhtP~rt
M.earas
in 3!iw@pe h5s eon %n
%hepapsr $be09
h
e
r Z
b
a br@n S5rel *- a very terrible way 60 &ow
abm4 28, Be 3~18~~Sgned
Smm *her VnivrsreiPg bat $he
e.tstd$ &ad raimte~pt~
p h d wl8b hiat t o cbcreta~ baak t
w
p ~ @ f e ~ ~ o l t l ~
wh$.@h
he $ h 8 ~
d&d
* Be a%@&
Zn 295%.
I%@ Bid teaah far %h@erar
$ o m yww.$?
Xiieeae:
Biraxra&exr
Wseaer
toot by Bhe n
m
r
s of Ge~rgeK@U$BI.
1
: wants4 t o errsk yoa If Howwdfa PIP%% nigh* haves
h M $0 da wS%h the asladPum site?
Fete, it crotx3.d have becrausa John Barn Howard was
vszy m
e
r
h agaimt; t
E
n
e roAts, but he worked on the planer
of 98 G V ~ R
$~OX€& he ~ ~ @ ~ P X E I V B ~
of the 8 2 8 ~ a
And 3 ha4 read that %hereslam w w d%;PfSoultyabout
W m $ e ~ t I
C
U
8 is na.8 of ay 3ioPowI~dge, but hes wrbul8n*%
under-
Niflybsele oap5wesd %
U
t
aam@
feeXing i
m
a tihe Falaae, ~k
I
I
P
S
n
a M
s
r
.
S& Eslhma @mein, andl he was a buefnsssssmsm
isra'hilere5i, b.a.rd-%ePled, no.& t
m wWrt a% 8L3-2. Ea
did %he LZfe S a f ~ n ~ e b
WZldiw an8 the Bnglnea~lng
$r;lild%ngsa13 5n the get3tem 0% fibarb E(:ahno f BstroiLt
who werlrr daiag fndur%rlaX work, Bo you Baad a prsrSad
w
h
m xeallp prry baa th-er w e ~ e
Bone, He made no
6~nMbwtisn+io %h empus,
How would you ddrearaxS'ba the sazt of %him
be was dalrtg,
Oh, "IgodsrnYqae* Xndue%~ial i~ienayexptm%
~ $ 2
of BWag,
Yet soma eoasees~ionPlo ds~ora-bisn
2
1
3
. Bhe Zifa Bdtiena~s
3eScltlld9ng.
Sear, tha%t@ x;2gh$, The 1I;iPea SdZenees 2 t h f a is
better Ohan Z used t a tU#k it waa. f $1wsys oalled
it the *&ifs Siee hi14fngbn CEaugbterl
W
e
s
r
e perogle re~aBlp~f'ied
with K~2ham'~
work?
Well, %he We&w!js evidet#%lywere, And 5% m
e
t it
nm Dhcrbimer msiatitti~101Ec;er
w- who 1 s t ~
gpv. me my
G ~ & Q B -- wh9 ~
a
1
P
1
v
bsbekartl Erlhotar,
Bid the Sohaol @f
&sh$tsame let th& feeZ%&g@
be known?
t#U;tC#$.@.1~3 Z. .+!t~%: t&$h %he8 ~ ~ p p $ t ~ - @ ~ $
',.& &%l@W.,.. . .@f
,&.& W W ~
fzom %has@.sne
%Its;@	 dsgaw.bmebat &@a%
. 4 ~ & . U t . 9 ~ ~ f 9
$h@ ampp# was. PaUne,
r$zs&@h.aa $0: & $ ~ ~ ~ $ : $ @ a
, E,@&hlam be?@ $83 tall yeall a d %hellhe
died, &&a .&t;hpr m0.mw
w ' b p ~ g h *
is. 39.38,. He
flt&@ @;m#a% sht~pld-48
, & , ~ & . t x lavos&@
$xzae:a&tecI Rr, ffowwil .$mt a$ Eel- 9f m.tthf4eo*ral
pWlam~ghy
had .bar.@&
$he, arP1%rsa.
Bs had bear&u .mebaT. . .
~Batr.8 	 Y.as, he p.adwa$etl2 x 0 ~
QaliPornPsfn 3
.
1
8
9
6
.
. Hda 

gm$ner, J
e
E
s
r
s .B&@w.eSah M - .bspc %!beg :badheen 

b$lX~,$n@,e.d Uybeak to $0 .Bo the

by I b r $0 P ~ i s
Be-m-htra a n d %heyamlz wet&% thsaef +hen %
h
w atwe
brat6k and won in 1988 $he Bkty B a l l 09 $a3ransdrsco
~omgeO%tion. A meap%iboern%
buikd3.ngy %he berst
Pz-~lneh
. 'buU~:bag
irn .Then ha 8I.d l
;
h
e AtIminislt;xl;.ar-
. &slzZdal
tion Butld%n$ 119.40,ggaml ~@11] bnt by th&s dim@ it;
wcsa, prsr;ty waterea-dawn v i a Z"tlarntC ar vew g6s4 build.-
fag, He d9d Oowe31 Eooplta3 900 ~1930J.
'
&%ha8 BZOWS waa .one @S%he be@% ~pt$ucla~te
who
w
m
I
f
t fpoa 8- J)$aa.$ess &
Be won ata aaay pria&# $Bat %bey nrde m
3
%
1 ag&.&ditt
. .
Anerieana wina&ng prige8, Hita work waa not xseal1;g
t w ~ i b l y
diat%n@ishrii$i% suited the pwpoas, bw%
he st ad^ bsBtw on adty bulild&ngra Oh- he waa on
$ ~ E O U ~
Hd.1,
Ha wag 1e8 go in 1948 then %he3?@wias~a6
eagesv5~2ag~ t t h l t e o % , X'k was in 1955 %ha%
they
brought baek in a osnreulBiag twehits&t $03 the
ampus, From 1948 %a 1959 SC aert; of eoaated along,
Z wag dsWg $he w@&t wi$h Isotlfe ;Y)a lon+ce, eUef
@mpvt~
arsh$%eot, flron 1950 %a 1953, 8 0 x t o f ad ho~.
Ha4 they -&hu~&t
that oaa~$ingaL~ng13ghB work a
s
i
r
a oro~u$icsm?
No, %hayjuat hanVdcome Bo e
w
y poai8ive thinking.
6xaaDion and Work af the C ~ D U BPlaainklr Q o d t O e e
It waa Qlwk Kern WBQ ileaitled t o g.et at %haroo3
o f h ~ w
%o g&n an s i f i ~ i e n *swd beautijkl Q ~ ~ U E I ,
I
i
Z
d atrea%ed&hi@ Cbmpwsl P l a m b g €lsm4tt@e, wMah
grove4 oo ePf&oien%
m& go subc@satl"ult h a C Zbao
Mo~gblll,*t;ba,now vises-grewfdewt b ahr~arggeof build-
ing,, aa8og8s4.m y a i the tdms far all the empaseer,
Wuc~ctaBero Wbh @a81QPahM @EU'llpU@
p ~ 8 ~ % l l g
Q o Z W . ~ B W ~
P
h
e
r
r Campust Planning Cctmtnittee l e a csomit%eae
s ~ ~ p a f f @ d
sf $he iora~ara
2
r wcs;ck am ba QBIBlpae. Thexs'as
%ha~hanselloa?~
whot#ahsSram & whoto in oharge
of i t a&,
o f esa~as;there% $he bweiaess mamagex;
thq @hi@$
etrohitect who i a mapboywl on the omputit;
%he bead of $he &&get OsmitOse$ C
b
e head o f the
9ercuLty Buildings and Oaunpuaa D~tpe30pm%nt
CarmaitCeab;
mQa ~anneu1tAnglibndesagge areh5.t@ot,pro5ea~ionalt
-4 8 eonrulIi.2rqg wohi-be~Q,
pxofe~~Ionah.Tha
CWS~UEI
~ZWUIQ~Xi~ B L B Q F ~ ~ B B Z . ~
@athe o~rnittse.
Rieelat A
n
@w h a t irs the 308 a i *he daaul8y Buildings a d
Ompua Developneur*8 ~onm%%f
ee?
W
m
a
t
r
s
r
r $O gloee all %haeva2usb3ion of fsgass nmaled f o ~
@ash
deparbrn~nB, 'Ehe Qla~dl~llor~ar
Aoademio Advisory
Q@mmSt%ee a d v i ~ mon the powth of each diaoigliae.
a@@@
BQWd 0 ~ 8
8he $uildinga ~d g€Up~@ GO&%-
g B~velopm~nt
tee know of ~ p ~ o i f i e
spaee a ~ e i ~ @ r n $ t
kwetiero 919ere jra BI$~B$in %he ~mptlek@bSll$e~B~
a and
$ngSassxta O f b i ~ e ,who gra%herfaot~about what ia
asc 

Rienrs:r Bk3-4 %bey d:oni8 have a say 3
,
n znatt;asre of t;a~%.e
and.
&@arb@37
OQw~tes
t Q : 1
P
h
e Banpurer P l a m t q Q ~ m m i ~ ~ ~ e
a
p
t %he guiding
Paetar S
a the mahll;ecattfe::wh~
ape abo&a, bu8
.@v@r*hOngaway8 ,go.esr t o the Regen%@
902. Bhe
iZnta1 &%.@2ai.@n,
Sn oQh%zward&:# the Gamgus P l . w i n g
GS.~asrai$tee
is only advisory., ff hsre yia power EL@ saoh,
Eta gowe~~aesraistar
of i
*
a
a rssaroarability m d persua-
sive qualitieec
The Reget%.@may re&o% a drawing time a44 Bime agab,
Wheas do h b R@@ente gsQ %heir eqer%iae;how do
they bars %hbtfxdro;talo#e?
'W~~tltesoWell, B ~ X ~ . ~ E I
a #pea%deal of que~fOlon.. Aotuall~,.
@@IpCrmy
$0 8 ,pea%many peop3e1a % W g , .o.fOen.
=are goed aonw oat a9 B
h
a
b or$$iquce@.
by &he Rsgenh
8hw bad, because %he o~flik~tae
b
n
a a mle mane thglC
the people have %hsughtthat the EnzlZtling Zs~kadt o o
re$m?k, or Iseking h grace, or taoraething o f thaC sort;,
m d .tihaag.,'vscome back md t
b rax~hitim^b
has been
e:nabI.e4, if he b
r
a open a2ndi 4s erde%$ 8.0~l@Bhirig
wSth a deer&@..%hatb:&h be aria tihe B~ge~tar
like*
Ba:ae: a.
m.c~hibs08
~b.a%ietve
tha* any ggven buhldSng
diierf@a o
m ba,.illaprovwi a& s@r%
sf indefinitely?
Pea, 5 %Unk
#o. IWe vaxy -t!a@ghfo m
d ~ m e - 

-b*sra *hey p~ayb o a f@
~epapC Q O ~Bhingsa,

year @b~1Ld
%hidilk% b P lxk&$ h&ppel%
3raaa-b 88 ~fBe1%, 

PPhan 2% does-itPe up t o me t o pmst~aetaOh6n %f
P:

po~aZbXya a l 

bo you have an intermadimy rs3arY

2bsk2;re~ight, 

f @ h ~ ~ l d i
$ a~hfevqdw ~ I & % 

%.b&Z& %he ~ 6 b i S 9 S b
b
&
he *houg$hIi w
a
r
s ,a ~ o o d
bznZaanoe o$ evarytWng tan4
then A f sme~ne
$a3d him B Q ~
window@ wase ntssQed
it wotxld B U Q W P
h
r
a whs9at thing1 and %he a;f~Mr;s~B,
Sax a loop,
Well,. @ ~ o @ ~ trroe&dan3
L
e
$ k%&@ %(B a w 8 3 W
W e Om,
have 8 m@eBJLggwL%h 8tn wlehitrra~twhore $9i4g $0 be
n*w Bo as job. Mz, De lYIonOsb whor@hsad ca9ehil$@a8$or
the @mpu1on the BechllhieaX ~$aff
a i b ~ ,wid T ~ Q B O
tldth any n@w ta~hb.ti@af,
m d may, #The gvab&am, yon
know, i
a
~erinply thist 58 baa $0 Bs goo4 mcshiQeotur@,
it baa *a @%my
wi+4jPs&&a budget, It haa 80 be at hone
wAlh i%s
mei$hbos;.e, i d ha@BQ wa%rse$ha eatrk~~~iaarm
you wh$t b e $a, be done," And thea W~4ybz?ing
'&h@$~
$@b@i10$08 $Q eazflg %h
d h ~ Sod8
3
3
6 Ion%et9&4 P slagge~tolmngera, W
e gtve er fa~eat o
the 0litWtt;b
a Psoe Co the ~Lient?
Pee, you w s , wba yourre db~fgn%ng eorne*hf~f o r
iwn m~xpblaoamitrtee, wha* do *hey waht? fSow 40
you &now9 Whala t o in %h&r own oiftae ebbou't
wOhirrg9 l%a%*s
%o Imppen bagore It; ge%e alem
th;r@?retgh
t o %ha Begemkc88 WaXL, we aa$ as an lntter-
meUiaq who xeally rerg~rersenta$he &&gents for a
geried. W
s try %s give a eonaidered apilzion.
Ye 5- %a f3ght fox +he %hingsChta* we thm
me good m
B
. err@ i r ~ y
Bo get thhgr;s ohataged th8-b we
thWk are bad, Aa a rule I tUnk %ha.% ao az!ohitsat
would ooriaplezin abeul; wha9 we've dona, and I
: think
Be & ~ x I C ~
atad Z haw a haalthy ~rela.ttlonlslhip
wPbh
&@ha# & AxLen midl John Om1 lkmeoke and Qeurdner
Dar%lsy,who a31 do wark her@.
D@ ort%Sss a% w~B5.tso-e t@e muah af a look a%
ompw w ~ h f
$ ~ ~ ~ I & w I P
Oh, yea, &nleed $hey da. 2 h e r ~
wae a g3rmc8B laudiag
ab the Wame~B@
resir%enoe
hElil%awUeh were won in
o~mps8itiaa,y ~ u
know, m d %heyw s exbraordinarily
gL@asan.t
e3sB LlveJy and have been a suaeeasj.
Bs aarapaa rn&&%cso%ure
ia xt@t done ?Ln a va~uum.
!?ha%' 4 e @ x s @ ~ % ~
Tt*&l yexy hard .P;o $48 refaeti~~a~f
80 aolate kind@of buAl8iager. Pax iahstwoe Cmpbell
'
P
I
e
b
U
, wUok sl, very pJs%in,ar$?apl%building; n$ar
phplos, I ll&e, but the~csare a &re& atany people
who %hi& i$'a Jmk Wmaoke did iQ,
too plain, w d
hefa a very gifted guy. TOta a very srquare buildPn$,
wi+h srguwe windawaarlaoroear fxon tihe BBinLng Building.
Oh, yea, and the one by M5~haeLGoodmm is up thsrer
Qn the aWBB aide %h@ g$n&w
'f3ud.1d%&ge
2ha-k'a .right; that t # the VSrua &!iih~~a$oI?y,
And
$here axlit a great many peopL@who lSke that build-
Sag anti s great5 many psQpla who don't like it, I
Xiks iD. The nem on %he $031 Isn't fault.
O o o d m a n ~ ~
They put all thad on afirerwarde.
Stern H a l 1 baa s t ~ ~ d
up awfilly well over the
mauy yeaxa asnd W~C'FI
very p z ~ u d
50 have, dons that;
Z t 1 a $tilla vary popular pla~a&a Live.
Deadgaing a Isnzildfng $s fit dCh it^ neighbor8 m ~ t
ba la job Bsre. There fa an istt;s~tasll&ng
roof ga.ttSo
wjBJL@h
~3onnedmBw%h
B Q ~ Q ~ ~ Q B
and Ewee Ball.
Oh, yea, innt%tha-b niset Mi-trah VariBawg die t;ba%,
H m i
e
r Landaeape a s e k l . B ~ o ~ e ,
h~lrrdLe8on thie 0quis?
Bsll, the oona&ding landscapc arohStect l a 2!homa@
Chw~h,probably %be most famous landrsoapet arahi-
$sot in Ohe woxldm
Poulvst knawh h W a long time, htaventt you?
Yea, I gave hPm his firet job, down a
t
;Paaatiemps
for ~ a e i b n
Eollsls, Ee did a golf course there,
He3 gaadua*ed from CdfSsrnLa h a landecapts ~b;rchitet3ture
and wen0 %O E w w a f o ~
graduate work,
Oh, here %alb4re. Bedd with oome lemonade %o wet
our w h i ~ t l e a . [Intemfe
w held a% Wurartex home.]
You know, I'm reminded of a wondgbrfd., irre3levan.t;
story: many yeme a$o Cambr.Idge, when Sadie tat=
abow&four yela~arold, she opened ane of her m~%hez%
1e%tie2si -- Ga$heriae woa off eomewhare -- and I began
to eaolb thic ZittXa four-and-a-half -year-~ldIn an
aduSt $mihion, Bra. Reat3 WBI ~ittiagin %he kitohen
aud hemd it and realized the ~ P l i l dw&# gofr~ginto a
tailegia, It was ~winPagoutaide, b-tat the next Shfng
I knew Lhe fronl doorbell rang and o& .the doora-bep
wrepr, .ansnvrarrops with a gre& 8A33PE erptalled out, 8nd
Sadie said, nTou aee ,I haye oae of my own. tt MXB .Bed&
w ~ ~ W C I$a%, baok ~ O O Fand
OW gone
aromd %o %he $porn%o f .the ho~lsewd had donet %hi@
in %ha* time, You aanv%buy it, e m you,
W
h
m d i a you Q O I ~ b - k o %hrepl-iw pfatuxcs9
Za 1950 when f volawta%SLytosk up P
h
t
a c3onmkting
work on the ompua ons of the Bhiaga that iaterasted
ma v e q auoh w
a
r
s
a to xsaatore %he mmgue t o I t 8 018,
aoulptural form.
This eoaa~f0inghadn98 b e ~ n
par8 o f $he wrangwn8
when p a were hirad?
I Q ~ I tosk 1% on in a voluntary way along
at allo
wiBh & Q W ~ S ) De Monte and Bob Evans, and the Bkrae of
uo traied to $eB a eoheei~ef o ~ a eat work on theee
tbZnge. Then in 1953 01-k Karr beeme ohancellor
of tUs campa@, and he wan%& an offioial, eupcwvlsing
sl~~hi$eo%,
Be wanted i% to be ~ornebodiyin Bhe aoerdemio
warld and olase t o the people and eo forBh, so he
suggested -- them m e many fntxioaaie~about O k i ~--
he auggea$ed me, Buti FrsaidenO Sgroul waa against it,
Ye% he wae the ons who brought you hers. Did Sproul
h ~ v e
somebody t-41~4
in mind?
xa,
be Pinally $3 was d@cidedt o havet a &#psrvA~Ug
and we ssPiays4 un%iJ,
sigh* ofelosk. We&@edays wrsae
duet ou% fax aay-khfng ebrse,
Biraasrr 	 You ma% regulm1~
zather than bertng on call'?
WkrnsBert 	 Ysrs, ws did, And a plainsr wars ~are3ouresdin tihe person
02 Al Bagne~Bo be on Che @tafF of Arohi%eotcsan4
23ngineesar, ($?henA1 w
a
a
r zlsp2aaed by Ohwlea Treffi,
and Alfe gone on %he o0a-besrr3.de offioe.) The asmblna-
OZsn was dl Wagner, ljouire Pe %%onfie,
Q l w k Kern, illegeal~
Me&atlgUin, an& myself, We saia the first thing w
e
wad is an acdami&plm, eo Kern immedia'bely 80%
busay aad appointset his aoadmiu council t o osma up
with an academic plm, ao we oould fit our phyrsical
nsede t o %he academia needs, whish had nmer been done
b&f QZ.@+
By 1956 i.1; had aCiOlile b t 0 ~ O U U ~
a d W e iIi!@~t@d
the $%rat
Zongmrwsplan, Part s f i t a resnlt was a
nine Commi%%os, 2he844 me the people who wi*h
the ~f,'ky
pLswnSq e o d a a i o n whish &Lso ha8 a liaison
Wwq8ers 	 eomit;tes. The o%ty af Btszkeleg caa3d now ooasd 8s
the IJZC!.V~~X~~?J~ Z W ~
needs*
30 find QIZC UB.9~%~ai.ttf
'8esksre the oaeatfon of the TjiaSeon Comf-ktee -the oity
had nsvsr had anybotty t o oome t o sbt the V&ver~Sty
m d %tihe goliay aeemsd $ 0 be "t~U.
fht~llgn ~ B h g % r
K
s
m bad a di9ieren-b philosophy. Be believed in
w i ~ i n g
a% fihirlgar openly, K
s
m eraslfl, n l e t t f s i work
out a isys%exnso %ha% we e m d i a s l e ~ sour wholet sa%
o$ plans,w Ha szeaQed this l i a i ~ s a
committee with
the o%%y
plewnndng comf~aiona d the@@ two som5ttees
asti onoe e3, month a d tried to thrarsh out th@ aif'febr-
sncitee betmen t:h@
ol-ty m d Dhs UnZveheZBy.
Ri@asert 	 hike pmkfhg problem@*
Wurarter?	 Yeair, sidtih o f a%rrse.ts,uBiliOies umdsrpound, how
maeh 8he Un;tvmsit;$ t a going Oo take of2 the tax
roll@, @$€3.
I wa@the first ehbtiz~mw0
9 the Liaison Comi8-
%eel When 1 beam%~upemdsinga~@htteo% I 8rapged
o$f that osmittee and Di$k 5@mi~g@ over.
gook H&@a
in +he S Q ~ Q O ~ a very azuh bet%erjob
of 3
j
a
w dkga did
&a we gut @n gublis notiads ~tbxaetlywhat wes rteeded t o
This w
a
g
a ce%.tialaly fitne 0% the gr@@%est
mteps
Bhat'e ever been %taken,all due $o Clark Kern'$
Pors~ight, qhs oommit%es besenma BO famous -- %bia
long range regor* was probably the beat Pn the
oountsy -- *ha$ X wee aeked $0 go up %o the Uaive3-
saity o f Washin8.iion and 40 the er- BWng for %hem.
And then it drao worked 10 well %hatElmo Morgan,
.@be .I;hw new vice-pree'iden-t in charge of building^
dowa i n the ata$et-wide o$f&oe (who happened by msre
&wee t o be euls old frtsad of inin@frolnl Log U m o e
day@whm I umd t o f l y ant for fhe government t o
the Sroa Alm~raei3y planning comntission, and Norgan
was asrrtittmt mnwgrz: of ths town of S
o
d
a ~ l m o s )-- ha
was 80 taken with Chis whole CPC %ha* he adopded a
~agulariosdayaten f o ~
every ~ a m p u ~
of the shghQ
oamylusea of the Vniver~~itiy
o f Califomtia, a@ I agoke
of beforrer, 1% ooneslarts on each campwa 00 %he gsa-
BOB$, 81 b h a n ~ e l l u ~ ~ a
as ehairmw) conmlting
~chi.%ett3%)o~lli%kIlti#g $he
& ladaeape a;r@hd.-l;e~l;
hsstd of IlsehfBsat~and EInglnssrej the head o f %he
B ~ d g e tCoxmci-tkea?, a d Bhe head of Ihe BuiEdings
&d. O q u a De'~~l~gmen% ?kzifsl
@ommft4e#. a s a ~
esrerytrhw goe0 thPaugh %heas people '&I
hand@, aufo*
ma%iictally,and $as Wabne~e15JmPa~hZon-- a d it
all grew Q U - ~of $he m~igixealgwent eami%te@,
On the smaller em-pussa &a %herewit muah m U 1
available t~ hadlea glamcLag aer tbezca i e hwsP
3or b a t a n o e a$ Davis?
WeX3, Pavie --G a m y Ehlgdn $uea down ixom 8-
Praneieclo ae Zandleoiage wchitrea'%,and Gardna Ddley
goee Bow as wchiteet.
SO f t ' ~
IPke ~ ~ G s i d t ~
~ o ~ ~ ~ t ~ l t a n t ~ .
Yea, it doaanbt.~sne or
fxm Ohe town of Davis,
Saor~bmen$o,it eomso from Bnn Frmaisco.
C~nosxning%he land aogui@fd&crrm. n e z a had beaa
no land bought prior Do about 19531
%hers
had bean no etyetenatto Wying of land with -&he
knowledge %ha% wa wes~sgoing %a be a oaqtaes of 2?,500,
PsssPdent Elgsonl, in faet, s
s
w
t bask a BCB Comaittea
yeport oaring f t t a rfdiaulaua, s
t
$won*%evsr possibly
have W i ~ l
~ 8 9 8 . ma mind w
w O ~ Q ~ S Q ~ ,
~361~93etely a
6
9
i e r ~
ae I arska aaka out, on Bhis rrra%$~s
69 pEsyt~ics&k
plaswiw*
West33 man waa this report?
Iuxst@m 1% W ~ E Ia reporf ah0wia.g what laad we ~ ~ @ d c s d
in 3.951,
1992.
Risaass Eacl Sproul ,.adked fcvx the rrepor$%
Wm;er%err ZB %a@ $he BCP yearly repar*, Thi# ptt* SsstiB %h%
need u f r e d sxpmaisn. planar, XB ia; %
h
e
rBCD Cormsi9.tree
got out frors, under eadjminirertra~fap
polie5brs &EPa Bried
to honesrtly gcilthex %og&hex neede and r aream of
show* the adty %hamnedor Soma%- aee4ed t o
be done tit% $
2
2
1 p ~ 0 ~ t d e n t i a l l e V 6 3 . ~ while BhlnZf
Spxoul am not so muah againat it, he didh't have
t h e to o o m l d ~ ~
a11 wpeets of aW- thiqga.
Rlesraro Did you pxernen-8 %B 30 h i m personally, h m e a abanse
4x1 cs~ron%hbu with if?
B
P
u
r
a
r
t
e
r
t It wasn't goarerlB9e $0 geB $0 him personally. He had
400 people reporting t a him,
XtLesmt Stephen Pepper on@@ men%ioned irt pe*i.f;lam rsigned by
iaaultsy nrarulbeza oonoerning ampus planning, wMoh
3groul ignored, Do you seszCl.1 tha%4
Wuratert Xntexeet in t h 5 ~
whole pxoblem, q@neernwit& its,
~4xwtsdbefore I @me. Bu'b it orys%a1295ed 1951,
19s2, tmd 1955 when the Ompae F l a ~ S w
CoznmaS%tee waa
fColbl~e4.
There wa@%ul underground ourrent of faculty
i@sUngthat we need@da g 3 w e r for the ompus, a
oamgca plan, a d nore distfngui~hedsuclchZ%eatuple.
80me people who g5u"ticwlarZy $el$ $hi@ were S$sphen
Psgg~x,Eb $%rang, WaLBer Horn, anel Donald Coney,
Theere men ma%, and made tripa and inerpacted the work
of vazious mahit@atur&firm in the area, Though
I
$
now seem ridisuLouw, none o f %hen even .knew John
C w l V/mfieoke then -- lwne~karha4 done a kfadergarCen,
a IILWJPV~~OUBI taLZ *ha%
%Ungon %he PeninauUa, %bat;
wag
wsa known; now w llt4Xs msse than %en yews later
he'^ d o d ~ gLg~%ayeW$
8 q u ~ e
;lnWa~hbgI$on
and *kL@
Remedy memosial,
Were you in on the getltfon?
Yes. XP asked for beW6tr p1annb.g and batter asllahi-
teature. But Sproul took no actioa. There: wee no
ac89on until Ksrr WQB made c h & ~ ~ c @ l l ~ r . you
3prou1,
know, was retluctmt $0 have a ohancellor; the Regentre
would haps wm$ed to have Kexr i a eas13ia3, but Spxoul
loved thie ampas and wan'tsd t o semahn in ahearge here
a0 well a B @ta%ew&ds.In anr easel aeon after Bew
came he crea%ed$he Cwpus Planning ETom5ta$eer*
And %herehad been no aaadaio p l a , also, prior ts
2!4at9s 6orres.t;. W e acadenLct pLaa wa~j,go Lnpa~ZiwC
%ha$ firs* time b@a@usg
$err and his oommit%aas had
the tmerit;y t o ~ a y ,twEbPe
dcsgw%men-besiLl- $SOW*
% M e BegmtasnL wiZX not &row," @xi&whiuh maas
would bet sDreoecd, 8one~nef~oa
Ohs D&v~r&.tyok
IXILnoio cam@by one day ts trajlk abouf %he plan,
whfeh he'd @Ben. Ee "Zrvesome %o you $0
find axit who just m i d all them things. We never
can gee an Bnswer t o &
l
;
e these guide@fez &~@wth,"
Yer, WQ have a Li-btls biti asre aaa@yma more spgor-
inuiLtr~now. !
!
h
i
& i a fron a 13mal2 fund met aaside 80
that if $omebod$ wm.t;s to sell out before ve n m d
the land, we caa buy it m b j
u
w
b keep it i~ i%s
gxesent uae fox the the being.
Xf you had a l l tha momy would you buy a l l $he j+ak16?
IB would be womdexfil to buy d
l the la& In fa@%,
%he ~ t s r y
SJrz 'Boorment~
about Bhe (fagrftolBuildlag
aizd Plaanlng O~smmieoiorz, whZah Xrm o
m
a up %n 8ac~a-
mento, is tha3 *he Se@cla*ure i o giving aa $13,OQ0,000
t o make a tat t o bay %he land +ha% i~ needed b e ~ a w e
Bhsy lonow i t w911 oosB moae money if we 4o#*-t; d~
f$ %ha% way, The V'%verreafr;y haaatt &od %I&&%
moh
poww a3 iGba ~ B Q w :
9% @an" g
g
e
t %Jha$ auah aoney)
i t hae to do it avax a long period 0% time*
I 2ihought p e ~ h a p ~
*hare wbl a r e a ~ o n
%ha$ had 60
do wi%h Ithe ci%ygf BerkaZesy and 3;axea.
Xo, you m e , this i~ worked cat w i t h $he L S a ~ o n
Conu9iIi%e~
+ha%
we a ~ u l d
take %Malad. And serve
tried t o gxors $0 thm that the preoeace of %he
Univerei%yregrsoe n t ~
one of the greatest employere
in the eta%s of Ca1lf~rni.a~
%ha$ %he @tmdyPaare .it;
gSveg th@aerohmlx makeg up for %Be 3ax-frtm Ian&,
%hatjust the sales %aJree aZone from 5,QQO more
otud@n4s WQULB szzgport .t:hings.
The main Bhing that w
a
0 swz)isd over %o the
oity waa that wa nlsqded ;eMd would -ti&@ thia mob
pzoporty. So %he pxeeent plan tha* you ~ e e
in We
1962 lang-~mq$@
map ahowe th@ rereruX9iag arraagammtpr
$hat were mde, A t fir&% $hemit wP8 a 1997 agz-eeraent
then o 1959 agzlee31nen?fwhi~h
a l 2 ~ w sthe low
sang8 plan 02 1962, (5he 1959 qgecstacsnB was held
up in pablPoa%tom u
s
i
i
l Oha oamgletiors of Bhe ai$y
of B@rkaleyto m ~ t e r
plm. The ffrot drafts 09
tihe Berkeley ma&er plan were verr anlagonietAa
but t;h@Liaison Commit;tes w~rke8Co abngta %hat,)
$Be o l % y fought ue off' on hi^ @artof thing,
[Zooking 8% map] They fought our haeng ang
re~slfden~cs
hall8 below P@le$saph, bta%fdaaly agreed,
And the residence h a l l people w e ao sborteighted
here that they wanDed everything @rowdad up above
Telegraph.
Also i& was finally agreed that there mvst be
intramural athletic f i e l d @ adjaceznt to reaidernce
hall8 -- so $hat gpu would avoid panty xaida be$wee!n
residence hsllo, for one thing,
Bless: And who w a ~
it tha-b waulded evex;yt;h&ngabove fCetlegsaphr
wmzltwt The oi%yhall, beoaurse %hey ww-bed to have hfgkrigle
apartments paying t m e a down in this w e % [west of
Telagraph] .
And then we have ansthex reaiden~shall, over
heye where %he coopexaztive i a [ ~ i d g e
goad], an8
an~therrre&.daoe h a l l above Zlal;sma a% Hems-b.
B
z
1
0 $his wana ~gpo5edby the city, biL-t;erly azzd
with a great d m 1 sf asmpll~atSouz. W
e put a sohosl,
a @hLLdrenlsrmuraory whool [Jones OhiZd Study Oeater,
incstzruationfid tjeaniw down hexat [between Bwnsroft
md Durmt, ears-t; 00 ~ t l ~ t o n ] ,
and %t;armi~
for wenen
ug here [wrset QS Eroebe;~
IE3EaZZ1, with o w e underneath,
3 m i d th& as muet hatre insurance for the unlnsom,
a d %Mab b o ~ kbetweben Banoxoft, Bssditah, 3
l
t
x
r
m
t
and College will be probably a fins arts complex.
Zhe Univeriaity houraiag people wanted to u ~ e
it $or
housing. ,But if you pat housSng next t o aanagua
i-b'a Mfffcul%Bs puti my-khing else t o do with the
aampuo beyond fh0 resldenoe halLs, ao this plot is
1efQvacant, W e are ready Oar the unknown there,
and here's $he u
n
a
k
x
a
s
w
n all along PSsdmon-b, where
Ch@ iasti-batefa w i l l be, and % h a $heror@the law
~ehrd01,which my oZPloe i a adding t o at the xnomnC,
R i c a ~ s
r	 Then the University has an optdon to buy --
hretero 	 fehs Univeraityvsgiven notice t o mexybody in the
ciey thaG this p s a p s ~ f y
that's demwked hers they
boge %o acquire. 3 % ' ~
no5 all aaquiasd yet by anJr
means.
t ~ a d e e ,like all. o i Telegaaph &@nu@, religious tPllw~6
l i k ~
%he ehwuhee (At wblta different about %heUaltax~
%an ohmah [fo.~mazLyca8 BmersZti and Banes], beoauee
r#urs%e~s %hey wislmBed maxe property and ws oouLdnqt g%ve i$
'Fo then, ~ J Q
they aoved), eoioial ina%3;-t;u.tii~n~
like
B l k ~Club or %he Wame#+a Oity Klxib, %h@ee were Zeft
&one, as web wotilbdnf%8icsmtg-t %he flow of Utarloris
Life in $ h ~
$own by o w land asquiaitioa,
W
e juat baa almost n e m - i s ~ e d y ;somebad$,
~omsplacealang the line, disoavered that somebody
was buelding an aparknepzt right in the middle of
$ha$ residence hall aPte [Dana, oouth of ~ a a % e ] ,
whiah would have ruined Che whole thing.
Ues$rr	 '
P
bcity hew this, but; no* the V~fveri@it@
W'Izrra^F;e~t	 The UnivaraSZ;y had beela notii%ed bu2; i t got loat
in the a3rleb4ai Now we've b0uer;b-t;Chs aptiarrlment
houee, before it'a aomplett~d,an8 10 will ba for
young In~hruatoreand maduate w4iudeata. W
e had t o
pay tbmugh the now %o get i$, That ahowo the
Univexsity i a a i n ceetl:nrraO sbouii not; haviag Site plan
wxeuked by a y % h h ggettin$ In the way of it. And
you h o w , if we hadn't had a long-range plan there,
w~ never aotzZd havq stogped it, But this was on
3e002dt ma I t had bean dealt wi-bh in &ha Liaison
c:omit.ti9e.
&i.eaas$	 Yoxi operate w i l h %Be loag-rsuge plan w%iL
it beoonea
a hadranee Eand Warn you make a new @as?
3
%

 nett8 a new one about @varyfive yewlca, and evetry
year we update %h@ naates plan a d pssaenl; it t s
change@ %heathave ooawrxed eince Bheyrve last ossn 

3%are indicated Q
a ths plan, 

The P~legraphw d Banorof* ahopgiug es@a $0 

have a r a b i n t l ~ nnumber of ahope, partfaularly 

Banoreft, I noaicod signs of e o m ~new demelop-

men3 above Telegraph on Banoroft, buS why haen'% 

%hers been more7 

They ware &raid to gu-t tihe& eggg in -bl?aB bask& 

bsoaua~ethe UniversStiy night oondepirr. f% and take it, 

Row we've given noti~e%ha% we don3 in$end to, 

and %tiheyo m move ahead with aerlranin t;hings, 

How about the sugges-bion for a m a l l on Slsleg~erph 

Avem@? 

That's wholly theirs, but we would be deligbtsd with 

it, 

f o ~ b e ~ e
any way a-b a l l fox the Unl~exsityto control
the type of buildings that go up in property %ha%
it doesnqC own?
Hone wha-baoevsr, The aea0he0d.o contxol of buildinge
Wurster:

ie the hardeat thing in the wor3.8, The c a ~ 6 r i a o 

that ham it find 18 very rssWto%$.ve,an& a l l the 

youngen nen aze very mch agalnst It because i
% 

de~ltroyaWe mebexn growth and natural grow%h, 

Zlhe oampus planning aomfsi%tisrabegan with Ncl;aughlin 

as ohaiman, w d $hen $he ahmcallor beaame ohaiman, 

Waa $ham$ anydhing behind % U s switch from Beg~nt: 

$0 ahancellor? 

The $-tory ie very eimp3.y %ha% no Rsgsnt oan give 

his time endlessly wi%hall hia dutiae t o the 

gaasral university, nor do $hey want to ratreas the 

poaae@aianof any campus by a$one man, But i$ 

;just.
happened $hat ~caLaugUimawas dean o f min* 

bere, gradua%ed Base in 1914, Loved the plabe, had

been s d ~ a n
at Barnard, and when he erne back and 

was appointed by Yarren Co bs a Yegsnt he and I 

used %o talk together, because we had known each 

~$h63r,about what we could do for %he Bexkele$ 

aarupua, m d tihat's how it go% sBarted. Now he'$ 

a invi-bed guest at our meetingag he8$ always wel-

(3Qn6
e 

Ia there a Regrant rnsmb~r? 

%Toc It gets t o o congliaated, They h a v ~
Rsgente who

Bbey appob8 aa aonawl0mt~. Scllvlto &as cmpwa
hao Biz1 B03b and Ellieit RelLsr, w
d HOXT$B h ~ h ,
whobar a Berkeley & ~ U E L ;
%heyevet
813. been attend*
ing $he CPC mae%ings,
CouLd you gtve o kina of procmsfil st2;ory of how
a buSlding plan gefs apgravad?
A building plan atazDs with %he department or
~ o l l s g e ,whfeh charts it@
needs which axe aub-
rnit%@d
to the S3uSlding~arid Camgus Develcpm@~%
ComSt%ee,which in turn allooatsa the thing to
suboommittees for %he nsad and t o prove the jua%i-
ficatisn, %nB t;a pose the gxoblem of wxACing up the
dtmariptisa 00 what ia needed and why 5 % ' ~
needed,
and then from %he BOD i t goa8 to %he Caque Planning
Cornittee for final acaegtwce, m d %hen i - k goes
om t o the Beg~nts,
The final acceg%ianee 09 --
Of a p r i o r i t y on whioh $he building's @ing to be
bu919;, %heret
a a constm0 Ifa& kept activeo $one-
times buildings $st pa8 up in$o it by a deamocxatio
vote; @ornetbee$bey g@fgu~hsdfurDhsr down, depend-
ing upon %he wboLe oequenoe of 8tud~n-b
load. I l t e
vszny, ~ s s y
well dona hex@, very impwtieel m d vexy
faU1 and aLZ dono %bougha series of t;inaeloonstming
&~ra;llardtteea, it 'a d w e by 8he fa~ul8yin $he
raaAn, and no% by ~dnin%$t51at%ve
edict.
men dmea an waU%&atefi%car?
1hen they are p l w i n g B
h
t
a money fox a building;
i t proaedes the building by a year or two. These
a r e noaina-bsd by Oh@ Campam PZanning OomaiOtee
together with theix conaul%ing woM%e#f#, wYld
are ratisied or changed by $he B$gon%s,and % h a
the Buildings and Growids Commi%tee.
Than the priority Ilst for tho whols oapnai
i@ done by a grcsat sys%tsm by a emf8tee whioh haas
saah capus wpraaented on it, whish neta up -- for
faslmnce, t
a b u i l d i n g mi&% be 85th grisx=%ty
on a
aliatawide, and 40Bh priority Be~keleywide, 2bey
aet up W&O&GI systems of pris~i.%iea.Very beaut&-
fully done, gone 09 it" by ohmas ox by iaadves&mc@,
Ihen me %ha namfna4iione for axohE%sc$ pre~enhedOo
the Xegfantb3'P
Pea.
Jusrt nmer3T
hnebs and @xhS.bi%kona
of %heiswork.
BBQ~%$ will ge-b toge-l;her witb the Begam% whet$
biarita%Ssfied, aml *he mharxae Be i$ dis$a%i@f'%@d
with, 

$iBd BTY '
b WO& Par
QUB #ha%%ha f~a.tCt~ O*h@~w%ate~
2% %bingegc, in ra a;naoo%h81aapb9@~,
%hemt$
no zeaaaozk
inte~eabe4i n b~a* 13~08@&
wfth rwk, amrob r
m
t
o
z
c
9
1
ini?b~aat@d
dn BBe quaUt;y,
?Plat# $%a%ewljl%
~ & l d i n ~ , i a &
&one bg BsskebBt,
;new Pow. It w
m lay P@ul% B b C we la$ %hem ds i t
Z>le;6eauaeWQS i d 3 %ha% gre)y~ho~&gbcalPy
5% had to ge
$0 @0118h@m Who had g~@&'& in
ba~@kl.%W'b eu~pk%?la%Q@
sff%ae Wilding, Ua.tagtmafeZyt Bkda ie no$ a ~ o u n d
gEwa3iaoopb.y fox oh~onbg
%he &~ahtte6tof the adWaie.tisla-
%toribuilding aS a grssrt uaAvcersrb%y. K ~ B P
ha%~b)~~
the
bu$ldi9lsg and olrm%a i* r~sdetIe4. I$ w
a
e
r a Bra@@
aisrdak*,
Wtltrar %ha-&a Oaiptaa Pbmiq Qommlt.O;-b&cadeei~f
OW?
3%was a 4aeoia.2sa Befm~lwf&w%hl
De I
Y
Z
Q
M
6
t&bMd mpelf
ba~kedby Bhrs Ompva Blazming Ba-tteta, rsnd we
~hsaglat%BE&b@@8~~@a
it war s 8%atew&&$$h%n&
1%
would be goo& %a avts st %O a ~ ~ u t h o m
wohiQe~%.
Revex ~ 2 ~ 4 myon%fax reaaon8 Like $hat,
my%Bing*o
nevw*
Doesl Newta~
dlo waxk 8%U W ?
Ber%slG bibfiQ~24~;
I Zld)B8B ~ 0 ~ x 8 h a
eI?lp%@p
ay%M~tg.He b&&&gaaf~ %he *r @'gl~ge~%ad~
alub.
H4 msb8ts~what happeaer fh XZife, bcspaa2raaadr *houtgB6
02 i+b9 i% BF d l k % ~ ~ d @ t I CL€IU$~~~X] @
$.B* Nd112B~8'
m ~ e h
n
t
w
a
s imauhs t W n h6 haar setally %bpclvlltsge of
belqh?;by h5s own 1PgIz$air, R
a sad ;~Wx-lt@t ashlam&one
C h w t $heyr~ebe$^ adiiZoe~+ fPhey'~s
be$h areli-pmaolwlsr Hy wife doesrn't f e e l tBhlsr w a y
absut Him%rag$he %hinkaPtm vewy hmmh.
I n092se in the Q~1denBa%awaygrojeaf yaw oi8kae
ie ~6xk!k!Lg610eteIy w&%h
@%hap
fiX%z?t*
fso, well, atlg $&ma 98 eatar@ptionatXin c@rte;lJ;a
w ~ s ,
and $ha$ re on$ 09 *hala, It juaB doesn"8 %kink it
b
e
,
all tihe answ@rer,where@@ EBeulra always MB81%
the srrsmrszce,
Ea&$he €hapus 221aming CornraSttse here ever e~nsr&dereld
b&n$iragfs @amonef
m
m
a %he &wB 0;2? Ihr6pa $0 design
r ImilBZPstg?
We111, Jtae-b ;right BOW, %he %tawzen~cs
F
r
b
e
m
o
r
P
a
Z had %w@
eaatsm raroEa2$e~ta,Eero S&wisr@tn
AasociaQee and
sou Kahcl,
Bu* C M % w
a
s
a Jarat Shes osaape.t;i.fr2ow,
Tes, X1va beon a li8-bler $oath iB a @-bate-rawggo~fcad
Zn~$iWtiant o go 0u.t: o f 'the erta%cetbatmuse we have
awfully good pe~pLe!1
3
1 %he a%a%eand %hey sigh% mltse
.$haquesarti~oa~
q u i ~ e
rS&=bly, oi why w
e @hauLdak6:
get .
%la@ peop2~who gay %he %asxesrr It &ohaQQ $hi$
~ e a n
09p~2c)&Iya% I;tias hone& % U @ r J; W Q U ~ ~
rssgnC g@&ng
uu.b an% g&ting a &rangex %o @om@ ira
ao .bh;tnge 0% tfia campus wha w@ M
v
d
l peap5181
of %&Zen$
&XUUR~ heper
A
m
.
d when ithe eampwsls 8an R A ~ ~ Q
and $an98 a
m
1
8
~%a;rrti
b u S L d i ~ ,I aupg.cPm they w&ZZ fosk Aa4ta $he&
~ m m d f q #
SOP ~ ~ h f h W k a a
f@ha%% de&ng 5h4 naw C ~ w e l 3 .001Pege af
rri&%+We're
&m$a Qrtlgi,my 439fi~ei a*
8pa"k"tng of b a B a Qms,
b a oanp%aswaaagh land
is2 btll 9fr nesda?
!
!
!
W
e %h@~&=d
BOEIB*
Tbwb tws trh+ dw~lcspmen~
glama for that &pa@?
T
h
a
a
i
r b32ngrs %ha tro%i$hssltrp~ablevdt6
9 all, Wa n68e
so gas% $hem days %hex@ Ztmt$ %&me $0 a o a ~ e b
smaa3.Z
Talsg~apbAvenue ox Bamwaf Square moaa CB b e
%hei dame ]In a way %ha$'# na~maX, !&exa w i l l have
t o be d ~ s f a i 6 ~ ~
and Be%pBQ louats it a0 ZD %ant%
%so im? away, I*vd been conealting artzhite~tfax
Itrba P a I ~ e x ~ ~ t i y %he V&lv@zsity o f
o$?VSe-k~xka
JS~%tfSlah
QoZwbia b Va.tmdmvea, 8~~34
in bs*h ealgebs
%her
~t2,haes $he a@n-mxttieepticsah?of & sommerei8l @ma
gj.&rfit$ngaLs@eb t o ea a&puar, Thie ia %%ani?~@d%
rnsrBe81 ~~~41erra8 b 0 8 i ~ h r
83232g31,~pxablt9)m9Be Wtt~body
~ataogn&giaes
bB, and $heytrs4 Bxflng t o wosk 1% 03%wit&
B%Zl I%ea+bon,dQe~t%@@
oi *he XnatiWtcs 09 Urban
R9@0ifd. ~ @ ' t r @ ~ f @ % @ & l ~ %heD G I ~ @ @ ~
0
f &V%T~P-
men$ab Paaarign, whot# aom2ng haze, and d s a a
ooawzPPing seanoari~).i;
and pslSB%oalmierntia$, Oa haw
h ~ w
they eaa we~kout ~aoms*P;h%ng
the* w
i
l
l .save
%h@ Imd gsogerXy fax pTZvat6 trmd oome~@iaX
drrtvslop-
men$ ~ b s s a$ ~ ~ 8 a d b E ~ r & V ~ P
80 %he B-~~PI X b +
though* of leeraiw ZmB %a pn?t'tt1849 @n%@rpr&~e
in on
$he,n
m
v erampus@etrr#%k$
U
e
r were ever psearibl~E'd
rpluggers-t; i B *
f i i e ~ a The oloieQezed eea2uaioa Sa re&LSy a grsblemt
E
Wiar~ter: IB ie to ~ O B B
of a1 who $bbtJ1 9
f
i
h
a
B the Unbt&r&i+ty
touesh wi%htihe waxLd i
r
o arearisarreaxy,
Ba.tr *here are o'Phex Mnae of wiverarS%Zsa,you
ma%
wdese.fismd. 'l!h@xe
i~ %he%o.tsal
wbm W v e x s i t y
whioh i~ i~
Rew 'Iloxk Oi%y, l
a
@
Qolumbia, Phexe i e
$he total. mra 31112v~x1IBy~
Z5ke $%&on8 orhiah i a
en a fwn, And between *barn w e PAX rso.s.traa s f @
&
a
t310ZUr BtanZw eZWat&an
Q m s Ziea Zn $he ~%&%~%QP&
buQ wilsh $he hage of hming aem if a nore bfvsl$
$xoa i%a 1&a~red
Zmd, They haVe the #hopping
oe~~l%@z, %ha* %heylearse ~ v t ,
yon w a ,
Sbs ~asidmCidLec131eg~i
gXan al; SmBa OFUP -- w
h
E
t
C
does iB m@ges%
arsh5teotural2y9
Veal, in the fix#$ p3aae fl eugge86@a deep movement
in Bhe humm$QSea an8 a brlara8t;b ok aatuse apexiencer
i
n whieln yaa o w t % ~gerlialf~cs
too early and in whish
you have a l l %ha firjiusa of %Be @ambridge m
d Qxford
sehae o f tMnga, no% a trt~nollthi~ like
a%m~tU2?68
Bexheley m? libs AngeXets, Stephen Pepper fe Ohe
f&%her
a3 %B&e,bwkcetl; by P e a I s f f ~ ~ y , n m
who8#
$he, ~hanos1203d8~pn%&tmrc
fl!kem m e a &pea% rimy
people who d~ubtt%ha* Y% QW ba done, but b l e ~ a
Chefr aoalLlsr fsr at-t;~mpt%ng
$8* b
c
a 600
So .t;h%0eV2l.
An %he firat Cowell Crallege, 400 live-* m d 200
o~ms~u.t;er, a Pew them w d
sanB thssaQlbe alses~rosm~
%Bay*l.l
lgo over Oo a @eptmaQe
nefmoe buildtag --
the otther 0aLlegeer w 3 l l go Sio the a
r
m
8 r~ientrrebuilt%-
ing be~a&u@e
ittar jut@$too $0
@Xpell~~li~e
d.~]pl%a~$i@r
Bo, a21 in all, 1 % ' ~
a alxteter, an @nmmcruB01usCetx
of emall wait@, wiW the hog* of breaking it down
in%@ hmm tale 'build-
jwt lib *he rareh&%ea%ure
ing and Bhs rno1El.it~c%w~s
eehaol here wiCb 706, yow
aes, ia lik~
a mall oollsgc. Though %Be Sntereste
in Bant;a Cms d@n)t lie a'kong a special eubjedt,
~ e ~ e b ~ 1 a r l . 3 ~ ~
f tMak %%'ahmd $0 vdaaa3i~e
what'w i l l be the
unifytug ftiia8ox i& Ohe esLL@gear,how the en.t;ering
atudenB wf31 oh~oee.
That wPZ1 @o4e@a&u&ly, ntr%by iarsoxddnmeat 'Isutf
by wB~LB
~ B 3 . 1WO;P~,
In t
;
h
t Q Q ~ $thfs 6mpue PJwina; Gamit-bes ia making
a l o t 03 mS%$w&L de(z$@&onff
~$riJr
$n the game, &a%
ie their fee>ia@ab0u-b the ~ulp@h%%eaf.rxse
o f the
aoljtrgsar.7'
Wells $hay w 8 . N $aQhaollreg~%@ haeve S$a o m oh~~iraotets,
Conell ~olisgshao bscm v e ~ r
critical, a varr tough
jab, beeawe ~ u u
aae we @m'D
have it COB% mare $ h a
the other kind of syetem, so we have got t o have
fairly hlgh buildings, we omt%
apreml, Sahntra Bmbwer
i s ejla sxanple o f a monotonoue Bwo-atoq apraad over
egoke of oolltagss 09 two thousand o~ as. 

Well, 3
.
t daperibe, A% 3mta Oru~
%hex@
a r e aix hundped 

At Golden Gateway, 1964. 

oign 1%2glomaanow?
Wtzre~derr	 Yes, and it's a; t;remend~a@
job, You bloC them,
you h a w , sou have %o lay them all out 6@dry,
!There axe only two dews who d l @ their diploma,
N i l B ~ nChsr~inand X, So there we m e + T dont%
know whe3hex my auootssnor will sign tihem or not,
"BrawnH ia s8mpsd on, wKsxxwis ~+iamnpsdon, wSCrongn
l a lil6axnget.l on. Ther esaldaf%pser~iblysign all of t h a t
W.~BB
o	 B@iore you go, oauld I ask you Sox & rata%easntabout
your hops fox %he ompus and for wehiteatare hex09
Wm~%wo Yea, one alwapa has %herhope a i a m s t a b i n g group of
bu&ldingaron thZa a q u e whish w i l l b@ go&$%@wA%h
eoah o%hsr w d ye0 a* no B%aa rep~eatentstnfffne~a
02 xetrs$xea~ioaSn Ldiear, And X %hi& o f
~ e x % a % ~ ~
@
t the in~tiga-bio&
of the plakn'rsing at;afi m e axoel-
Oanyon, and $he Paealty Glade, and %he &xial%.tll?aJ
glades 80 that a~mehewthe grea2; a a u ~ p ~ r c i l l
fom of
this ca~pus9s retained and no% hiaden, As you
remwber, at UCLA they hetd a grea.i; etrroyo; they fillad
%ha% in m
d mde a gram plot, and now it% like my
07t;heraahsol in the oslzntry when fhay had thr mar-
velous chmae 09 harLng %he arroyo.
$: hops %he Sshool of ArchiOcteture ~tays
by Lhe
m l ~ e
o$ plaraaaxrb aham and %ha% 2%4s@snf
a; becone
dograatic in any achooL 09 thought?, far would rather
have a student be disaaCiaffed with his education
while heca hare, and be pleeaaed ten years l a h r %ban
if he were pleaeed with it at Dha s t a r t and dfssa%l;fs-
f i e d ten yeam laler.
I-bts a g~edittiimtitution, and the whole de~ocrsey
with wUoh it% m# i s tims-oonsuming and energy-
coaraWw but very worthwhile 'beoauae the whole proacsaaa
of g e t t i w buildingo and aps@s20s building8 and of
Ww~ter: hiring in ikepa-rtrnenler is all =ranged through aoadqaZa
plane as w e l l ao long-range phyaiwl plarm~, T hope
it will r@sulL9n the Bighea* grouping af a b i l i t i t w
tha%'e ever been aooompli~hed.
&Letas r Ohange will be neseeemy in the fk.tr#rs, Boo,
Wws%.ext One of the moa-& inpor*t;mf;%hfs!kge
about Xifa fa3i#"t
Thers'~d w a y ~been change, And when peaple loak
baok Bo a cer%ebi#period and regazld i - b es ~ t a % i @ ,
it ohrenged front the gexlod before when i t was mgarded
as rad2aetl. Dant$ forge* %ha%.
Bieso: Relationahips araong buildtnga ohange as %he eld osres
go down and m e reglas@d,
Wurstsxs SmeZy, Boms me this way, ssme a r e %ha.%way, bu%
in the large they do honor by each s0her.
today? [~n%em&ew
held in the living roam of the
Vurr?rterhoses, @reenwood Temaee*)
We've gsbhexed the furnitare in this room fro= all
over the world, 9%'~ianta~%io.Tha chairs over
Cherts were done f o r the Ysrbra, Buesna Club [wsnenta
alub de~igned
by Wuractsr for the Golden Bate
In-bematiana3. Bpoe5%1Lan, lg58] an !?!maawe Islmd,
m
a I bough$ them after %he faip ara8 over,
Them Gaar Xiteas charw, ~hnd%he ors.8) $hat
yon'rs in, w e Greek ehaha from Max: R d i n Ember-
siZFy profearsex of' law]. He bought them fox ftve
do31ma i n Grssae and then we bought %hem from his
se.ba.&swhen he Bled, Sowsbedg e l m fn Berkeley 1Sked
them also wid they had lssnt for a hundred of %hem
and when they omas it h m ~ d
suO %heywere +weave
dollarlsl 81g%8eesr They aked, Vw me they more L
n
q%~tn%ity?~
&d the m m e ~
wae that ft waa
sa boring $0 n e e 1
0 many. I%augh%erY
WiZhelm Wohlext;, a youhg Barze, asads %hosecloeh
ebafrs, The sjncrwahoe c h a i ~ ~ and.
om@
from BermotnZ;,
they're very conven3en.t; bacause they fold up and
m e extra uhaira far younger gesgle Bo s90 arottmzd
in, They're very camior-kabls, The Aalh table
some friaada sent %o u85 i t goes wf%B our dfnfng
room table, And the bea%er$a lef% over from the
house as it waa whe11 &I. Bllia ltved here.
Did you know that a l l %he OrSeneal aollection
in mihells H a l l was once e~tablishedin thia room?
They had belonged 10 Eliz;absfh Ell&@,whe lived
here ant51 1952, I'hsr were plaeecjl on block vslvet
and LllWna%edwiGh ago%lfgh.t~, 1% was an aslasing
room, j?i1laB w l % h fusnitruxe, h t v e sorf of restored
%ha Gregory era, a LiOtla more spazo~e, W
e find that
fB's wonderful to have %he paom wi%hout furnitme In
$hie olsnter baoauoe you oan pu31 the groupB mound aa
you choose, a d ~ l l
the fuml-hare is light, with the
exoeptlon of +hogs two chkira a d thla couch.
You have qvfte a sallsction of+9$inting~,%oo.
Xba-b s €, Josef3 Alber s, f x ~ m
Blask Nountarin a d Yale.
Thts one ia Bepers Prom P,Z,9, Xn baerk sf you %a a
6aita grin* we brough8 fron daparn, Bhia [ a Jtapaaelse
htmgSrg3 meaner homew In Japanem. The nex%
f s a CarX Xe~ba. The nexO fn aup house in Cambridge,
The horse C~ c u l p ~ ~ s ~
bearea iqmIndia where Catherine
we- i n 1959. &Eth d ~ ~ a n a , 'of w r s
a f~lead in B
m
Toxk, d i d this cmcaes k%n$ ol s $h$ng in the ooxner.
She worBa4 w l % h B-ax3.s ' B Q ~ The
a great deazl,
shield over Ihs fir@gZaoatL1* wlil Belitf hdLlm6wk ejhbeld
there, one of those msbdLZio $Mngs, md Ptr wae
beautiful %a see rfBll so &eh ltght r @ n ~ t t ? i d
from
it, Vhan fla%hexfhd in tapan she bough* one of theere
dqpahis~ae, Itd:a~rursd
when thsangsl~get ready t e
dissppear~ $set hold 18 &pfk0n.e of $hem, which
~~omoteia
&;taappBwm~e.fBSn mads of m o d [gold
~acqu@re4?,
I
*
'
s a wonderful room. 

Ones t~arlyi n %he f i f t i e a I t r i e d t o have a chamber 

quart@% -- aa NIr, Hawwd m a d to long ago a t h9s home 

-- d
3
0
n
e
3 perf~xmhere fox the aeniosa. 1% woxksd ou% 

very well and I would like to have kspf it up bu% i% 

w
a
l
s
! t o 6 coatly for us to oonthue. 

Thia waa fox a blg senior party? 

Yes, the senior class, about a hundred of them, I 

~M11
carry on the tradition fs the exten%*ha% I 

!
Catherine and Sadie with W i l l i a m Wurster
a t home i n Berkeley. Christmas of 1957.
I
gSve a s~nixrm
four %fmw a yew tip a%I I I ~house,
e%nd ~.bud~nbsr
cone up abou*, w@11, %heywcsra $4
~trong,,thia ye=, Iw~n+tyntW~
borne at a %ime an8
they mest at %en mhu%eat%o %ourBo half gas% POUT
and have beer ma l~monadeon the % ~ ; ~ F X ~ G B .
lon8w.y
[April 29, 19633 waa one of those days, The i ~ i a
and everything w e ~ e
all ant, 3Ccra aise $0 give the
kiBs a shanae t o see how t h e i r teachers live.
%his hauea looks l i k e it w a ~
b u i l t with oonce~te
and par tie^ ffn mind, One wauldnvt 3ua.t build this
houea to live quietly alone; ft weula have to bt~
srhared.
That's right;, 

$mebody who WBB thing a house tour ones time
c m e %boughm
d @aid, Ton% it be nias when they
have it fu~niehed?~
f ~augb%sr]
Do %he amhi-beofu~e
eCudenBa ge% taken on any form1
-F;ovr8 of Berkeley hoaeresl bere%
No, no% unlees they were to aok f o r it. They do see
very of%em toma of work %hay*xe t 4 do 9n a =%a.
And then af eourss %heyba% arovnd om their own,
The BUUWRI,of %ha BasArea book fha% yo9
haye 8 oopy of -- the fhing tihatb remarkable about
PPUregerro h% t a %ha* every piatuae fn ft fsr %&ken $FOE 8
puh1i.a plezee, e;ro that! %hem% so% t; thdng Ziettsa
%ha% aaa*t be areen by %he psxson who goes Bo m e
TO, mo=khiagis %&en f ~ o n
a p~%^sa%e3!
vaa%agr pa%^%,
~ ~ B T B
W@T@ V@Z'y +hZtig~ ~ X ' i ~ e t ' b ~
S
&
?
?
@
8
f
9
that weperift aesesbla, t h ~ y
ju~Oleft %hem a
t
,
B%e8~3
r BOWdo you come t o live in %his buee? WauXB you
imll the story of that?
Wtmaterz Vesll, in. 1913 I wa3 a $r$ahEgm, 3txer-k oome from
dtmM;on, which w
a
a
r f18-b eaun~xyw3: ZlvsB BOUZT~
of %he campas, and S. wa;lked up north and came on
t h i ~
little read wtlh aZ1 t h e ~ e
pine tress a 8
thought, L'Q%e, who can live in auah a)eaa%yBEI I&&%?
&d 3: never $ Q ~ F ~ o $
f:$.
Preaenfsly I mat Don Qxagoxy, $he Warren Bregorya'
won, 5 h e w h
Z
m a LitObe brft f# aallege bu% no* 8
6
4
1
1
.
Then in there I sent off to Europe and way atahions
the w a r a8me m d everything elb~e*
When 3: o m @ bask in 1924 from New York a d
Delano t 831Uxloh, the first parson f me% was Eliaa-
betb Ellla who %henJived down on RSdga Road in what
$8 now ths cooperative hauae and she had a@a good
frfend b e , WWFW @~sig;ozty*Phe @r$qg~qya
gave a
m~ar;tsala m BWay ai%ema@~
and 3
: o m up w d s
l
a
w
t b house in aq*tEUaU%y
in19te QUB, &s, Qgarp~y
b@@a8
S
I
r $2e;~$%
$l?h#ld, a@D
l
U
@
b $ha% W
e
Exerared our dmgh16er 8&diLe ai%er
h42,
&PI. Oab3ent~
Qxegqrg PRQB onoe 2hox@%~ia
ens~i~tanti$
&
q
~ Z~BRQEX
of Bhe La,&.mae
0Zaea4e.a Za
@
&
l
@
o f %he book@eh* W I I O F ~ ~
0
1
3 ~ 9 8 h
h
4
Z
R
. Qna Q$
bqr g30ad1 ;PTiwdg WPI L w y 5p2-e MiPahall* who
434 the Bank B9rett~t8shool Za New Y Q P ~ , Do you
h c a m
@
h
S
.
n
gabout +ha$?
Y ~ C D J ~
we &fi&ew& ha8.o
GQ@, Skella ta rauwPrab3.e woman, She wrote a book
ea&ledFwo &i~eer,
$he @torysf her Pltz~sbmda d be^-
esrlf, in %% @henan3iaaa %he haass vlp on 0~4en-
wood Iexraee aa BeWg the ~tartixag-goin* of a
a
m
y
People whs met here?
Oh, tihlaa buee iss &l pies@ 09 f a b ~ f ~
one d t h
asia m%d, RIYba%
&QU% my hying $he hsuaaar nos?"
Wet it appraised and w d 1 X see.
80' go'& Wldt
& p g ~ d @ @ d ~ ~ P B F E ~ % B P ~ X
888
Be~xge
Hoflt who h a w all %he value of bbe intangible
f B reprtarscrsntirs8, %he E)srk@b.~y and he
aura o f tWngo,
kept e
r
a
- bsaok t o me wStlln a worried look on h9a
f&ae atad X said, RYMra~ra
C h e m8tterTH
Ee mxl.d, "The -k;z%h02 Bhe reerttw $63, the L a d
l a 3rsr;v valuable but %he houere ie o
o
u
8 of levee1 am3
$ha heaani aye%mis bad aad $has sosf I
s
a
k
a
r
r
, m d 9
0
'
8
not in tadayter m%y;L@ Bhe honeae ie woxBh ~ l o t ; B i n g . ~
And he eeaid, #Yllhtbt d11 Irra. @r@goz-yrs@ a
X m i d , "T don't know. f t Udo i~ %ell her
am, take, 1% up d 4 h hiin eo I wanCt be trading on my
Srf~ndaSaipw%tih
Hex asn 9 ~ ~ k
her %he pxopoeea2 and 1
h
t
a lmke4 a%
iQ with hex 6181169 and ah+ mi@, *Xravt;%ha% woad~x-
f#Bf Wst3l jzSve B i l l tihe houae,H
S
e
t 'tbsy IS%erzfdLy
gave me t h i ~
haass, and X
hu@$ the land --and you a
s
t
z
l
l pay a
m awgU3. 3.0% $or
L a & i f you thoueand iset [af hoaaa]
Olmown la, X had t o typead a aadmate m
c
3
u
n
8 for paint,
a naw rcoPt added h+a%ing,%hingerZsks $ha%, buB
that: was nothSng e&qwscl Bo the ostXue of %he
BoQrz3, plaoe,
W
b
a
n MZB. % l Z i s SAvsd hers she kept up the txadition
og Ohe aaton etasted by H s s . Gxegory?
Petsy vew moh PlQq I've been in B h i ~
room with many
Mnda 09 gaoplsst She gnler$ainercl $re&% deal,
09 cnurscb, you see, peop2e %hen
ha4 .bo make -1;he moat
o f Mw&r Srien&arberaauae they d%&'B have automobilea
and tB%r@0~1*dn~$ And when you oven* 80 S
m
86) far,
Prmoiam~you wmfr QB the ferry boati and you wars
for~ed$ 0 da thlsoga Whmnally. mat they die3 wmd
t?o a e W y Bi12 $he @oil of imediwbe aeighbwsr, not
atRay@ strs14rahing CQ go Po i a ~ = a f fpXliac~s~, I %hMk
%ha%
m&%e a gxea* dii~ex@n&s,
X notriae they af%elzhad organiered, %hma%lo
galher-
inga, BlSsousrsaiaa groups mesting ~eguflarly,
Ehia%$s
rlgh'b., erne over xead
John Q~lsn
2 3 0 ~ ~ 8 , -4
poe8qr every S1widaa3~msrr~bgat eleven I know from
&a, (tireeg~zr, And b~bWEQD~
8 poem, oallsd nPBid%era.
Yon a
m 5% Jia %halibrary,
Westve nsed 8hile haum far e~BerBa-en$ ,
-
s e t ~ ~ ~ all the
bad many, many iareetibga herds~ Q T
~dsft0pm;rwho eons t ~ o U g h . Wetv@
beem twoad the
wozld ~o ~jh~~th 06ne $0 haw many people,
W~)*VFTQ~ And
when Pen IelaXJtman w
a
e
J doing hiss pazsanal%$yatamrss-
ma$ OQ &~~b%Be~%ftl
study of cr@a~ivi%y
6 ~ 3 undrrtiaken
by $$a ZmartituBe o f ??ekraon&i.f;y&se~lermcan.t;and
Braeetreh] they &me~ f i *&d@g %hey workad
lbid&y a;etamoon and Settmday aad then were Bogs$hebr
on day morning, ba=kdaDnxUay algIr%$hey wan%& Oo
'befr161.g rea we gave a pm$y for earoh p a e l of 0ea
with abou* fsrtg @%bar
gue&taLa, Oa%liexi~sa
wae in 3QBLa
dux* one of -bhm and t9adie and &a, Redd did %he
pregma%ialaa hoateasring fas me,
We've had people oame ih %r discuasiona, W
a
t x y $0 have a edrtain amonn2i of &ieouseion bu-k if $hem
t o o Large a group %here emr%be. But if %here
ape eight people vary often there a m be good dis-
o n , Bob Wawer, the Ra@a h e d of %he WSHA,
%he hoaasing @~u%ho*Pf Waillh$rz&@n, hals beem he~(4
%$
F@F'
dimezb* u
1
.sa2tra o f p e ~ p l e *
Sa when you fosk the hsuse %a1952 you taak i% w$th
thie POPS af %hizagZa mindt
Phi%%
B right.
*
ao YOU P W U ~ have 3 ~ p x e
aonaing thxaueh *hi@ bouae
an BouraT
Whentimer mybody aaka, wre a2waye let thsnt. And
when the as%ronorneraWBTGI here from aZL owtar $he
waxld, they brought two ox three hundred t k ~ u g B
one % b e &EL 1
9
6
3
.
. W
e en%erCain
very ahply. &B.
RedB, our housekeespeza, %a@a
everykhing. She poki~hsa
%biloora, wa~hsePhe windowa, a d shet@ taken in
a& many aa forty f o r &inner. Z**n done very ~ f ~ p l y r
We alwaya like sit-down Buppera srnd we have a long
table that we o m ge* Z a m B e e ~mound and that ' a our
oapaoitiy f o r our uaual dimere, The food l e asrved a% the
%ablea d the guesLs paas Ohs platas in family style,
Ham Mrs* Redd always been with yon, or wi3h the hou8eT
With uer, for twenty yetwo.
W
h
e
n you returned from Cambridge where d i d you live
before you moved in here?
Zn 3.950 when we crme out here we Dook the lax Badin
howae, wMah is righa in baak here, fop a year, The
Calvlins Live in it now [2683 Btae~~ Then
VSwka Tay],
I@
bough% the Ii-tiPle houee out on the point heime
17 6reenw00d Gomon, by B,I, Sahln&l@r, @a, 1952,
bough% senwo woad Q ~ P P Q ~ mads
and dfv26eb %ha% up,
ia%ersst&ng neigh'krazbood pLan 80 that the aen%ex104
is owraed by eve~ybatiyand nobody can build on 5% un-
1aa~1
there is corapleQeappxo~ral. The houase in %he
00mraon m e all done by fasoua asohit@~t~rN s w a
laioe's staff did Eelen Dsuglafer*sr little houere* Bemy
B i l l did %ha[Thomas O r ] Blaiodell. John Funk ddd %he
[ 0 t t o ] Maenohen, Hatme11 Rmsisa of Texars and ~Sbutiherfi
California d i d WB,
m i n g ' o and Joe B~hexiekdid Jim
Aoksmmter, And Dan Ol~andid tha C R O ~ ~ X ~ Birge
W,]
house, It's an alphabet a8 modern ar~hiteotl~~
W
a
r
a that the Jauneeir. Aekaxman in the art departnierzt?
Yes, Bets now gone tFO Earnard* A brfllian3 pormn,
I
: helped bring him her@,and I'm vexy di~mayeawiBh
h f ~
for going o f f Oo Barnard, I b o w itto %he ~ort
6% thing tha-kva W 8 t o refuse,
9he fast that Ijhia house was de~ign&by Bhc first
dean and %hat it wa# onea of %he fisat jab# he d i d fn
aalifornia i@ quite fmportmt histmriaally, Howa~d
had worked $or E,H, Riohardoon, Ohe great arahi-beot
wEi01~ddone Romatnesque %h&ngs and Bid same erhiragle
hoa$ea moan&Ombridge, axid m
r
u
n
e kingl led eh&racc
t e r h@ brough* ou* h e ~ e
and used at -&helaslk ztnd used 

here. %his housla i
6
6 V0F$ maah like *he & @ h i f e o ~ s 

B ~ A l d w ,YOU t ~ t e g , the oli;l~&@.f;t~~?, 

_l)idn9%

you also CIeaign a houe3e 18 %he Uomon?
No, I deeignsd the Bwo l%%%la one@%ha43 rent ou%
below hare# bat -kho~e
ment%an %Be C ~ m n *!
!
!
h
e
@om0nbs jaart across the ~%rcee-k.When WB 8014 QUT
houm over $here to the tlorley] Baem, the phsto-
gxapher, w@ LOB% reeideaay in the Common. But ftfs
been a groat succmoe, so much so %ha% I get leftare
a l l $he time froan people asldng how it a m be duplf-
sated in bothen plaae, What %heyhave is a cornon
ploC that gAves evsrybaay a view*
Mrs. Gregory had owna8 that whole property, X3
waa so precious %ha% it was ndiscov%xsd"every day
by reornebody and for fifmt;y
yeme tkay had a telephone
call a day about it, abou8 'buying the l o t , m d it was
not for sale. Bob Bproul 6ried t o buy il. Bxnewk
Lawrence trted to buy it. Thsn an@ day Don Gregory
said &o me, "If yonfll get a group, Mo%herw P l l let
you have i-b.
And when w
a
e
r %ha$?
Oh, abon* 1951 or 1952,
As g ~ u
&owl this house waa slmed from the 1923
fire by e$uden%swho knew the Gxegory~and who o m s
up a
r
i
a wet blankets and beat %he fix@ ouf o f the
shingles, When M x ~Qregory C W ~hame from ~ E U I
Frm-
oiew and go3 around i n back o f the houee he aUao%
fainted when he saw the house wa@a-till bere bwause
he was a r e i t had gone, So this houss is really an
htragral p a r t of the erohool ao am I, a
r
s ie Ohe whole
-thing. It s a trt;mendeu~lyeentfmsntal group of
attachents that all revolve around it.
Waa Edre, E l l i s Ws. Gragasyre cloaant frlend?
Pss. She was from Long Island and her name had been
Warde~. She had gone t o 3urape w%lhHewy Adms and
John Hay -- he wag one of hi8 niecaa **.-and she waa
talcan to Europe when she wae eighteen y e m a old and
waa brought by theae two older men t o exgerienee
Europs through thelr eyes. And she passed it a l l on
t o many people, and %hishas been a recu~ringkind of
a thing,
1 think psople sanoe this closeness %n the old Berkeley,
maybe envy it,
Well, 18'11 some if i t f a real, It wonr$ if i% isn't,
R i s ~ i e
8 	 There seema to be Coo much movement for quit9 %he
# m e life. Gradua%es%uden%~,for instance, alwayo
laow thaf they m
e leaving,
Wtarwtwrr 	 Though the Berkelay hill8 are populated by graduates
who never left Barkelefr. That's really true, %baBts
whta-t builf Berkeley. People oame here and never left*
They decided to live here, worked in San Franciaao,
and commuted.
Dean Wurster in his office in the Architecture 

Building, 1961. 

EUe$sa	 'Inone of o m early meetinga you talked about the
fdea i n architecture, Could you eqand on what we
might call your philosophy o f architecture?
Wur~ter: What ultimately became m
y own phlloarophy i s tha*
arch3.tecture occurs a t %he point of fricfion and
tenelon i n l i f e . I t ' s the one place where art and
atmactuse have t o both be aatiafied, and 1 i f ~
itself,
saaial-economical~y. A t the a t a r t I didn't think of
it i n theas terms but I realized that f i r s t you haye
t o afford it, second it hae t o function well, Bhird
it has t o look well, and withovt any of theae fs&uree
it haanft sense. The funation, or the use, tho beauty,
the cost of the house, all come in and meet at thia
one point,
Therefore it can well be a violent point fn liiso
graotfoality meet3 head-on w i t h impracticality, meeta
head-on with pmmanency, meets head-on with hagina-
fion, meets head-on with whather the lmind cornea i n the
right direction. fa f a o t I refused t o do hou~srain
Bew England when I lived t h e ~ e
from 1944 t o 1950
beteanas I
. didn't zsallg GhW 3 oould feel New
England lrke I $eel this mas, I do h o w this
ax68,
Abou%$he time when you wsre baginning %o work,
$920, waan'l the pxobesaion ai arohl%eo%taking on
a new shnraotsr, away from being a gentlaants prow
faeoion, and more down to emtb?
Pea, I would slay %ha% it was indeed. Sn fa&, Z wa@
In $he advance guard aa iC were that pled for --th1.s
all,wa@ only dimly felt in %hose tiaas, bui~I was
pleading all the time for fxseclom a i mattqn anel %he
ind~pendena6of the s p i ~ i t
and the f a o t that it's the
Meas Ohat are in a house that really aount, %hat
enliven life', Papier-m$ch& is a good ma*erial if i.t;
dose the work fox the job, It's not pemmency of
a house tha.0 l a important. There is no need %o build
a Chinese o~meteryp And wht3.e I aouLdntt aDa%e %hoe@
ehknga in those day^, I was very aware of Bhair
PXIBenQ6 r
T watched %he field d i g out from under hhe
d@px~2r~2on,
Ibe %hi% Bha-berarhappened moat in ny
LfietAms, the ahage, has been in the $??owing i n n p ~ ~ r
Wazrsterr eanae of %he evmyday Phing' Husetmra mW when 1 wae
young and ?mt%ingaround mew Tor& 2
r
a %he tmen%te~
only dead people' had pltotwse~in museums, And thexe
wasnqt a MUB- of Nodern k t and there wiraer as t;h9ng;
of having a glales exkibfl, glaassa and cutlery,
Omefsre or asrg of those people! knfvea and f o r l t ~
wsrs no% consi&eradworks 0% a&, I waaohed a
conplete change in ay Zlfatims of what canatifutea
an Entexes%ing thLng. Does that make any s & n ~ e
to
you?
B~.Q@s
3 Y86r
BBurs$er: Years ago I
: me% a man one day on %he ferrybaa%,the
San E%.anaiaooferry, =ti 1 a d d , "Well, aha% ax@you
doing ROW?"
"Oh, nothing importanl, no marble, no bronze,
no%hing like that. Only unimpostmt things, \%at
are you doing?"
I s a i d , ltICn
doing a terrible lot of 5mpor-
$an$ things. They cost very little money but they're
impox%antt a the client and Chey're important as hall
to me,"
Riem t Woul8 you say that fax an arahitsot the mosC xeeont
308 i a the Beet, thaL it repxeeen3a a coming-togeliher
ex:
Noti ns~essaxiLy. Pour enthusiasm is ha% eand inflamed
when you're working on asaresth5ng, k t t h ~
g~sa.ttsrat
thiw ia %he blank pieoet of paper, before you ar%wt,
Then i% might be any-thing, i% radghL be the moat beaubi-
ful .Ohing in the world. This is a $re&% moment when
you a i t down arid have ideas about some-bhing$before
yon pn-b eulgZlhing ~ O W , beetauwe the moment I put a
penoil line on a place of paper I limi% myself to
some eden*, Z have Oa. That'a what the penoil lPns
denotes.
But ourrent work doesn't make pas%work obsole%s.
No, XB ian'ti that you reproduas the gaet work again,
You learn more ox change Faore, or ? ; h a s have changed,
but t h i ~
doesn't mean that what you've dona has been
demeaned by time.
How do you feel about your old buildings?
Some I like very muoh, aome never were succeaaful.
The farmhouse, For inaDace, for Mre, Gregory, in Bhe
Sants Cruz mountains, %hatworn a Bouhle Beautiful awtml
in the early -bhSrties, really s ~ t
a@ up in bueinaeo in
a way because i% beornet a very f m o ~ s
house and reselved
good mes8$o~evexywhere f t WELEI shorn. 1 cotald have gone
an doing white-wasrhed wood farahonaslee Bhs reer.8; of my life.
Royal Barry WiZle, a New Englmder who d5d 00Lonila1
hauaser, did exaottlr that, a very easy thing to do,
64 keep turning out %he same pa%%ern.
Well, by this oboolsaoenca thing Z mean Zoakihg at
Saarinebn and comparing the Dnlles Je* Airpsr* %a %he
TWA Building al: I d l e w i l d --
I almost Ohink Eero was more of a sctulptor %ha& an
mchitee0, by $he erne token, that %he form of the
t;lzkng em-branced him more than it# funotfon ox anything
else, For instanas, I was chaiman of the jury that
gave him %he gre& srch to do a% St, LOUIS, thb
Jeii'ereon Nateonal Msmorial &pan~%~a,
aszd b0 waa a
very proud moment, a @ea% moman%,when he dZd thia
gmat sliainlaa~ateel garabolio arch, wiLh eleva-box~
going up in it, The @Addle We83 Packed the Golden
Gate Bradgs, the B I I F e l !Power, tho Washington Nonumen%,
you Bee, and St. Soufo had not one aingle thing %o
pain* to w i t h pride, w d now Bhis thing sill come along,
%his great pmabolia arch in Ohe sky, as eke gateway
eo the WesO, which seemed l i k e a b ~ i l l i m t
%hi=, He
r e d l y wan Dhe comp@tilionh l l y and justly,
Then he was very influenced by hie^ m
d 82d the
General Mo%orosCenter. %ha% irs vary h a ~ s h
and d ~ y
an4
b ~ ~ t j l B i $ ~ l l y %)Lenhe did
d@$XU$BrVQjer Q Q S E ~ ~ Z ~ ~
r o ~ g h
a@mioqe$st.h* Sn MKLw~bwksarfop stn m
i
t
r oaatisr
%]a80w
a
r M l ~ e ~ ~ c e l %ticb
by COXW* h h a he beg- g@Q
Saf;ercasrB~daszs a&n ~ r s
b a ehpea, W $WA was I
very ~P)~?U&VB BhAagl m
Q
L
it koob 80 ms ISke if
'lrs
saneprte a@phhgt o be cn biz@* I %hhk .);hisl s a
woag, 88ia%fstrhings ahaw3.d be altia%fo an4 f'ly%ng
Ok5qges eb~uldlbe fgying, W& you ehauldnvf eonfiae
118me*
Bow Dullee &zrport hsd really a flniss idea in
bask 02 58, apr ws13, a
s
e $oml mmeL$ that ha vstn31B have
nsbA1e 3.owrges take you 4s %be plane, and he had
Qhmlie&e~~gee
do .a l i t t l a BQBZ~
ahmat; if W- BiB YOU
ever L B ~ B
~halz? I wondrarrf'ul rnafle, ~Zzowbng how you
%rampSn Cha &F psz8+ c- "tranip, 6xanp) trampn and
so fox%h, S% t o *hem.
[3r&u&0@~3
He f'$nUy BQI~
l o wl itt@ $he ssm$ng thing Bn h~ixpox$er+ Jets wrae
vg an awful b
t of' gap just $ax%ing QU* %O the f i e l d ,
y m knew, $LZB if ~ Q P Oo the
doat%have, tihim %ax$trip
ZwriLBt$~g fox loa45ng i"bar.v~lera 3.0% oo%money, And
tka aL3~g3medlosa ie lA%e3p&XLy
QB tb.~$r
edge 03 $he
oxan~~urgeb~ tbe m~mra*%kwh&QQT Zar o%as+d, yow
Zwg&~g&
Ze, lPrl3, bn beJIsolr m
d ~ Q W ~ Z ~
in above, iQ &ow
oaQ t o the plane and you get on an4 $ha%ta%%. A
Y
a
d
%he fom o i %he Dullea Shing -- l%
t;rt%ne
Bs ma, i%*e
pamiasible t o @G,
%ha% ma8 sf a eW&ptwz13, fern
%o giVe lfLfe i
a ~iae. f 'la@ in the mihorit$
on threB~ &a mattip people ltkba %he IWP %@ar
mid f don't.
E
l
e
n
r
e oraa Pimribly i & p x ~ ~ ~ ~
'Is7 fern W he waa
a$wbaylil rn8kLng brtg mo&ela ak .tshing~.
I .tthozlgh%X1d aask yau to de2$ne +WQ word& fox meo
' ' ~ 3 ~ b
" tib?ld *&e$ig&,*
58yb ia aa W Q F ~-- @a@ $ b e many yaw8 ago &erSer
MWerd In a *BEEJP%Zne*
az?*iele eraAfl ~8lome.tlhiag
about
#Itthe Bay BegBola sLy1ev bp Bllayb~eksur& T w s $ a * and
X wish hetB never uaed .tihe word be~elilneiei.tlta a Bay
Regton @hmrsatexiatZ~
of sp@n*.miaderbeaasore %hana
atiyle, BnB hatr rso oeouraBs wi%h W8T68 OBa* it seeme&
$ m y %ha% he did i B t
h
E
C
O way.
W 0 l . 1 ~ wba%$8 generally meants by e.t;ylel SOU
axe
quotad as and you say
aaying Rtrbyla i a o v e ~ a t x s ~ a e d ~
19 2a neo6ssary d i g baak t o %he fundm8aBaaeM
Well, %he 814y168 $ha% fi+trled a erentain Bay tta longex
$&ti %od&y, r
P
o
r ine-bmrse, South Ed&, whieb %a ea lhrariah
earti of @ bu21dtn$, w
a
r
n rsla2Xy the vo@e fn $he day
It wae ln1f58~bu% %%aa%yXeno Z o n g e ~lend8 iQaolf
fie otax way of lLa9n$, or g~~8ar;r;eng
iB aoasta 600 muoh,
$he sramg thing 18 %me
of Q&liFazrz%et
Ball, wMoh i
f
e
8 P~P? nebls b19MS~gof gma&te, b ~ t
has %os few
w i n d ~ w ~
SOyXs 3
5
m Bs &Q w&$hp m i e d ~atid PS~t&%@~tit~b%then
what $a i
a
e
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t
1
9
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BBPU, I man whm yau"re deiag et oolwm $ha% ~ Q U
h&~$' b ~
d~ a~ISkE€"bkLa t
9
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6
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6 @ L ~ 8 ~ QJP
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solmms o r 3oritr eaPmmerj you hiwe do !
&
a
t
La a etyldl~ B% S % o ~ e ~ a & a%y'JYe. A aBy1e
4gr21Zem
iss erometbAng dhsktVs&opt%&
by cit nunbez! o
f
' no8 aesctcsral
erarSl$ MxLakb.g people, m
d p12ehe4 tbtmgh .bo sz&auslt;fon.
&Id wb8% $8 d@&%@X?
Persign ZB %he ~~tm1%
a% $he @%gux*th&$ geeas ia%o 13,
X %lxhk, Paking a33 fa~tors
h $ o aeaomt, And 2% 8&ea
a oonaideraatitm o$ apaita@%
t
r
k
a
V
b beper than photo-
ilia
graph@show. Pho.Csgrlstpha 8dwqy-a t&8 a p i a w e ai
the enda BP apa~e,nevep %he space -bgat you go
%bough, Jf I .t&e % phot;apaph sf Ibhlre PQQS ad
that map izt babk of ~ Q Q , then I gstsBhe map h%I
c%6aVt
g@t the dSsBanor Batwen, I U a $8 %he &e@%pfion
9$ gh~BugmxphsilW M Q ~ be emefn1 of,
you- have $6 

bS0m&Sme yoa rsaX2y ough%.l;b go, aazt

$a@% s f
@wfo#&$y
*- E don*% h o w whether it 'e i a the 1-e
of wsrk ar lasB --BtzB %n @an 2ranai~soE b v e pho8o-
gxbbgb~ai sv~iry%bing jusB of
wets% ever done, rzowrs
Chm, sowa%e& o
n owQbsw4,an4 you s~ta
run Bbr~ugh
-&hen
very faart;,in a half how, w d get a whole pfcr-bxe
~i Bh;inga+ We 3u~tf%~iabal
a 1fttLe e4m~chin
loodei4e %ha% really quida won&ex$ul, By ataa
lar4s, 1% phrsarrired %s slay moat e
s
g my w@hiteatzlseb
i e b@t%sx
%EL$Bh fa@$, &a Ohe grerarenael $hm 2a the
piatme@you werfb3.Q m e sf i
$
. flGhough Bksxe ia #one
ars@Mtcastnra$&a% I s a bc4B.tre~%# pboturee than w
h
e
n yau
tatstua;ll$ gees it, George Waahingtoa Brni-bh w
a
e
J ern
8z'~hiteat232 Santa Bwbaxa who dY& wkiSs w a l l s w%th
the* iithadews, in a ~ ~ & 2 a h
manner, but when you walked
8aromd hi8 btaiId%ngs$hey exlh besane fo w d%fie~en$
bvlldingar. Phey juaB raglhlj agszrt, %hey didn't 9ursa.bion
a8 one thing, 2hey were all done pistoxially,
Z l ' a m i d B b t hb'~l%%a on
ayou weps p~~dt3oing baaed
goad eenere Elma the € l ~ l f o ~ ~ i atxaditrian ...
woo4
raaher Bhan on apeeific %keoxfe8 09 ~Ise3gn.~
Yea, tIh8ttf8 quiBe righZ;. Z like BVL unBaboxed BMngt
%hatiLooks a8 ine~itablea8 ~omeBhOng$hirat a~mes0118
of %hafrying gw just sligErB, 1;tkab ew om@leDte In
F2@Zl~ts,~ Q F
b 3 @ t W l ~ 4 .
Do P ~ ~ P J ~ I
woh 88 n ~ x g a n i ~
~lro;hite~turesQtad9~a~toh5;rze
fox X i v i ~ ~ ~ $0 tbozias o f aeeZg~S
~ e f e x ~ p e @ b f d . ~
13: BMnk +he@@ ~4 aIltk&ng~
%ha8 are mxe! et~narrtici
fhan $hey are aa$ual faat. nOxgmbc tar@BiGggtur~*
Z
c%oaB*t
mdsrs%md. Err WzSghti talksad obau%PB very
flu@n%Ly
a11 $he &ins an4 I never eaw %ha% i t w
w
0xgm18 in any aenm af the word. Be atanipu1a;Des
apam and 8@$9gn and pxogoxtioa Just 1I.k~a ; ~ b o d y
U8erso.. BuC he doaerni8 l i k e t~ think $10) he %hi&@
~b i t eozt 02 ae a veLlsprlng t b B cornea up Uke a
gunhing: %sma?aia,
Bpeaking af ~ t y l e
tad $ha% Bay &aa Stylt~aontrove~ay
tha2; was at3,med up by & m f 0 ~ d ~ ~of 8ha pbzbm~a,
uae
someone mgge$D~dBlmebB a @loseSaok at the mohitsc8a
o$ %hew.ea would zevsal btez"na0ionaL iwn93uesnaea as
muoh r
a
a my lrilzd of Bay &ear u ~ L y l @ , w
Would paopls
then amoeiate yau w
r
l
l
t
i
h AaJ.to, with betjtng irxt3uesncsd
by him?
Ye@, buB on@ 68 Wlum~)sB
by every-bhing, always, 1
%Wn3cb
unJ.aa@$aa etubbarnly set out not t o be*
%OF mmy peaaane atiyle wa@Lhe wrong WBPCIF~
b~ UBQ,
It sboulQhaw b~serzlB
e
k
g Sagion watm~spheren
02 Bay
Begion Htek~dea@i@s,nor a~m@thQig
Uke that, bemause
au?mally %he freedom of l t v i q out here wflhout my
PlAaa, wPBb no 031>1d, ns hott, ms- you hapa aozt sf
an $a+ wad OU*-OPL~BQOE
1SsWg tha21b gsor~~Sblre
no
gJaae else a ~QWit*y+
QhqzesPs o @hilawjityirp use ~4
mai.trarSaa2e, %ee.
w ~ d V ~ W B~dwobdalwqr em be
a4iqenoue.
h a here.
O did aome sdws@ohone&% too, %hou&h, 3.lrua~s
a
r
e it done, wae an UuiCation of adabea, yaw w e , a d
ft w
a
r
a so-, wShh xl6w&&daornerpl, and plaeter wrae
ume4 t o makg behiwe W ~ L I
ware %hi@ Ohf@k,when
rea22y *bey weme hol10w~ '
P
U
B
i ; ~
%he thing $ha% go.&
r
a
r
e dawn, NOW
when 1 4 0 p;lsrshr I da it eo tE5s;b it look8
Xfke wha-k P t $8, otsDltnrsd with wood oitsn%$ae~1;
them
St is juot s glaat~a
pans$, whish ie qui-be %xtz%Mul,
d@ill%%hbEkg
1 0-e IibQEQslSi S b reading W&% 'bh%f@@Li#&
$ha% i t 51 Oh@ moral refagslaaribili8y o f $be mo$iteeo%
$0 m&ks naoxe hone@a~sklabls
by uaSW supaazl%orPechniquee,
~4 do i*t; @ontpetitivelyr,
X than'ir: %ha% $hi@ ve2y th%ngbapperna in %he 8iaUsr
Rsmda. 'Ebey have Ina~fiedeta% Bhi~birbietWr tM%atan
btb afiorderd br msm people, %heynada $he b~e-Wou@
o f ha~ing
a%alfnguiahod S
S
.
m
z
a 31ka helaan b JUma,
donee m o n d , 4
6
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8 %XMB $ ~ l k & ~ r
B%@UQEX
g%V%~t9
P@lr;g
&@a4'Bra1~btr %be grea%%a% i~1.t;
a% WM Bi~hld~~z AB n&%bB- %hatx@atew9%h
%h%ng
lie3iLer$ i-0'a 3 ~ 8 %
-th@
i&c%
%ha% my %PPI@%Sdl1
built stmul8anreouler;ly haye ~irn3Oat~lesou~
%gr s b ~ @ a $ e s ~ -
SatAale and ac!oztpa?urayr ehmae.t;tsribi-$bes,%ao,mueh
#Qxata of e o ~ i d y
mad age m d aul%we, 3a~Aa.g~
3
3
s you Wow the El Dorat%@ tra08 cutsiatar Seh~~a-
Homcsrs
~iento?
Zvve &&ten %he* pub;ll~rafioa@.
Wrll, A
n Phs bxot2ha9e it a
%
l
l
a
a
r
v e ~ g
htgh -- greersbelta,
@pa@%, vtewm, fnaividueall4y ye8 Bhs haaaes we
-m
looked er.G there warn 8mJ.y &ul1.
Wall, I Wve my B I I @ ~ ~ , Q ~ . Q R @
%ha% %be Bl Dorada HtLl
ir probably a alBuaGion wherre they @oldou.b for pro-
BuaPSon. TO bpgeaii do many -atk.shiDenertre. $hey 80
batbx taO 1el13ag the Job8 8Bm doing the jobs, I]aritrsga
er ma@ by Bhe naa~leog J o b Bollso in Ban Prancisco who
prsvee $kt&% a n m low aani be adhiteved evsry day,
E~azytihSnghe t~uohm
goea 8~ piatsee. Zitever a v e q
aggrasaive, ~ Q J W
y-anaking wehitea*, T *ve never smn
4ne single good thing hetar eve2 done. He hail %he PBEf
p l a t t o Bo bepad San do@&,a 4 i f % tit % ~ a g i s
ne@tac
W h a you think %ha3 he had ar+t$a111~1
m m e do work, a d 0
@tezflhZP1geLa6 -- bv* ao.tfhing; Pe r b a l l ~ r%hougB%
suQ
h 4ep$l%. AIZ very laoaperfioidl.. He 4
3
.
d ~~dklee-tiek
$ ~ k ,
~ Q F
WB%-@~)
w$%fih EIU i%adP~kwba@k#
~d BiffSI*
e m Betar B
#
o
mfar g4s.G.triagwork mad .tthan not
g ~ f o m ~ $ n g ,S doat%b o w why perapJ.6~have hl;lrt, bn8
they 4s.
&FB
Chma o%hez13tZbldar-arahld8Ct a.rraag~masnterlike
Eiah3er'$7
Y@s, Ghuek OooBam in Washington dssigns tracB houses
and vmionsr buiZdesra *vela oome t o 1.~119 %% $0 come
f o ~ 

ez-ken.0, W e * ~ s apairtiment; daa5gn for
~ Q Z Wa l 9 0 0 0 ~ ~ I t
a builder In Ban 1Vftal~eo~I% Imalndears daei* a
p w k , heaalih club, a lake, ta Safeway 8%0ss0 Dam
Wiensr AB in ahsage of $ha$ job,
And donf%you Bhgnk mehiBeat;er $%#d themaelves doing
%binge eometbnea %hey are not proud of or pleaaed
about -- potboilexra?
Bell, %he grada%ieabe8wsren what you're Berribly
p l ~ a a s d&@at and whet%you're Sszasd t o by ebouun-
f&l%~r9@0 f
a
@
. h~W690
i~ V#E$ 1 fhSink thaf
do FQWbes%uncltw adL1 eeQm oP ~ u n d ~ ~ i ~ a a
and you emt-&
be amogm%and $UEB ear, wX wonr* do thee beaatm Z
daan*t 4s it m;gr wapA 5 don't haow exeao.tPly wb8 %he
a4Wtrwtdle i~ hexe, We do many Z;bfnge whish we don1%
z~ls@lly
like, bufi 14@~a"b
ea11 thm 30%bsiLeva,
Bomt&h$ng elm Z've @&me a
o
x
c
s
r
e
r
c
t
i
r in mading 3h8b-f
tntrigta~ern
e
c i
r
e
r t
b &smmptisa $hati some day aoslebow
ttrhs Baate sf "$he peopleHwill ohm$@, They will
damad mob finerr buSldfng@. W
h
a
t
i ia %hi8ba~sd
en, 5 wozad@r'E
T dowlb thinle 10 sari be arsr %iaf
Oe $ha%. t b b b l ~
$ha%--Z away$ anleern Xtm get*in.g too
mlxecl up in %h%?a@~~ a .tE$ing%ha$
dgb%be good
that
one yew weuldzs'ti b
b
s g ~ o d%he nex4 y
t
s
r
w
, I'm not
D-ng o f dust the thin edga o f sByLe, either, I
mem.guab b~ t k ~
%o$@R o f what howltadge b~inge, Ef
1%keareeking Po &voiLd aL3. s2n i n peoplet ranti 12
aveqr~~dy
were to be 6004 ft w s u ~
be w auu WOPI~.
2h1 a
r
m
8 B
h
Z
m Om of a~chi-ti@aWre.You haye t o
hare the nigh3 to xeaUar;e %he detyg you havat So ham
%&aOop Oo get Che boftamj you kave Do have %he white
t o appxsoia~~ '
3
E
b
u o w q Qhave i% a l l white
%he blaok.
ar a 5 blactk. 5 think %hi8 t
a
r $me of a31 dbeacd
6w?ehit~o.t;w~Z P@u $#at o w P %expea% everflk&ng
S;hSqa.
%a flea* away In b3mB aaasmp2;tebetnt. Th@feshould
aZwsayg be txaetrion %a ga%nnornmtrrom, i-k eeew to n
r
s
,
T h ~ s
i
b
~8 ~ ~ O I W I I Q ~ %
k % i . l d h ~ ~
u
@
, that '
T
h
e hi*
trsol asnxa-t; g a b Q O ~ % ~ Q Z w e not
of hi8 own f%eLd If we
t o 8 % ~
Amariaan buildlag 1
7
3
1
2
.
p Sxaretrievlably into the
harule, oT %he bven$P@%h Who
awlwsy prrimi-Mtpra,
ths@%paSrrriQiveaT
'3: % b W k they =om ad'vertirala6 perogl~ 5 don'%bow
w
h
z
a
*'B~O pzim%2;9~0
B'~QU%
$hem, th~ugh.
But; %herala thier impcaraative P b . t the arohi%saB 8
%
8
m
r
~o8ptatmdsf %he profseeion.
Well, I Wink wohStcsaP;we only gains Phi8 cornand by
p e r f o m ~ o e . And yoa donf%ask far command before you
perform, You cornand Bhe ei0ulit-kfon if you perfom ao
well %ha% people apgreslate ifrrealize it, and turn
%o you f o r $ U s positian. BIZ$ you can't create thle
pglsriCi~nnerely by motSon. Arohftsete, often spend
tor, mob Bime on the proc~durss3,tbibga ant¶ t o o li.f;Ble
8Sme on %he oontent, Eha%'e true of ewrything, I'm
IUXO .
And hb~vl o you eaatzount for the retaJ.1~
bad &paz7tmefi8
boxmere tihat 'be- b d l B right now in BakrkePeyT
9ham errs soma BrsarBft13 fhings BeSzag dm@. Z t f a o
aomb%na.tifon
sf %he eosnoaiea o f +he afhaClon, the
osat of land, the aoa% oP hildizzg, and tihe enBrew
I$uxs.berz pxenmr~lhlg,m
a l% w & U be awfulby $ad $0 a m %he
n96s old Berkeley hottarere, go dam an4 give wary t o
%hearen&eB aparImern%s.
Riebsree t A m %here arcbitstrta in~01~ed
her@?
WureBexs YC~IB,
%hwe &re 8%l&aff'b
d @ ~ i g m ~ ~ l .
VE&~UBB
~nsol~po~a%ea
i t 3 sna $ha4 p1twd vp them @%ark
builU%age9 Ifka $ea%Btw-
leas shiekena a@%b@y ooae firom the egg.
Rieaa t f %Ink BBers i@
a fse1911ganon$ people aleo t b t $hey
wan% go see, thaO %hey expecB, raomefhiag lgo~erarx~i$ing
~JI m s h i t a ~ t ~ e t
w o a d here*
Wura8ert Bxoi%ewnt%a ode W a g an4 permanenee Sse another
OMng, You o m do $hinge far ~glmporary stu ups -- S U O ~
aa @xp~ei%%@nwask -- $ha% are very apgropsfately dona,
bu$ that should rrevels be pexmacnen%, Becausre you get very
bored w%Qh the prodw~%if yon have f%
wieh you. Perhaps
on* of the o-bugid things ia trying to reareate Che
Bdace QS P%ne &%a. Ztm not a w e yet, bud 4- f
think those who aaw 2%in the ae-bting of the ExpoefOfon
realis@how @ut $hart 18 ia now of tWt, aiknd when they
harden up 1 % ~
3 0 i ~ $ ~
and ev@ryS;h$ng
e1914~jrtm afraid
i t t o go5ng t o be aay%hing @bmdthileig%ha% we Uke.
33%
@am
a Whexs d ~ e e
%Be averqe gebrrsan go Bo wa%@b
%be 4rma og
&@nt~ovsray
in mehLLecrCure goSng on7 In %he ma$aainer,
R5&cs~
t Q ~ P
on the ts*rtaeImT n e x e awe ideas Q~ughtr
out?
Wur&@m 2hey are $oagh.t; ouB i
n Dhe Journals %s a csrlain
ex-ben2;. POP 2nes%~oet
*he 1as.t; &~hl$6;a~twal
P o r n
had a v@ry
won&exfuhl o t a9 ma.tzexlol~%hat they prs-
~entedion tihe a;rohitecturd pzactiae of 34 Barnes.
$t maid in fhei mtiale absuf Ed tha* he was pra~tbcing
h ~ v e
been done QUO hars -- but the Pact %ha% he h
a
m
worked in ay ~f%iaeWBB never metn'kioned,
An4 there m e a great many people who When Lewier
NWoxd m a y yema ago aroBre that Maybeck and Wwater~
had aort of' aon%buedJ
,
n ar regional style, from $hi@
w & @ aa ~ B o r m
of csxA.tieism beeause 18 fm't a wa%ylew;
iand many prsspls di&nqC fee3 my work was %hathpo~tan-k,
B ~ J I S B~causethey oomidm thwselve@to be o f %he same
a
a%$itudcs?
Wurrtert Yes, aad %hey sonaidsr that EFm too unorthodox,
Buxatsr~ 	B Q % ~
a
e
r a designer and as an educator,
Risaero 	 Eaw doeta ean.ltqorary arahiBect;uPe fit into Bhe
rsaerrrg w&6h oonttmpoeary art? ff art reflerotrs a kind
09 chaee and f~mlsmaneas,9s this alga seen in amhi-
Ye&, T Bhink %hatl i k e adaial ~srzdihionspermsa.tie a l l
aalps@Qe
of cizrfaa%Zvi%y,
mu~24,mB, Wahlteclure, beeau~ae,
neecllasx Bo Day, $he me a%x somoan&@
all three
%h&ga the ~ t a e
tWs, 'the atme ama, %be a
m
s
r
mzoan8.
Sake aba%raatexprassioniamt whatr kind of mmifssta-
%%om 09
are t h e m in mchiteetuxa a9 the %h%mkfng
the artist?
P
d
h
e
n aeulptura dodnates ean~t;rztoDion%hati a abstract,
Bow about a k%ndai wsaae'? BQT imtmoe, a building
wfBh aa axlea oantilrsvtwsd so fm out %ha% it w~xrled
the speata%or? Foul8 such a Bhfng bs poor wohl'csotuse,
ox coaM it be a kind of erxp~es~ionism'?
1
.
0 would be a ttartoan, They w a n t .tro be sonvintzing,
then they go ovex-convincing Is prove a point, This
be done,
Could it tadloate a5 expression QB ~ e a t l e ~ s n e s e ?
9% might, You m e , %he old-faahianed, the old Bsnaiseanoe
eon~%mc%Ion, one cormrs visually
sZwaya had i % s
atre~gthenedby U e k of w%ndows, you knaw, and the
building of %sdayhas windows around the oornsr baoauss
any%hhn.gcan be done by c a n t l l e ~ e x ,aro you are privileged
l o do anything you nmt~yet yaa neither want to be 018
hat, nor Bo you wau1: to be ~ ~ n t r w e ~ o ~ e own
for itia
sake, but try to ee3ve the prsbfam.
How Bo you keep up t o da$e wiiih new tschnlquea?
LSteraturs, travel, vSslta to feLlow arohf8eo8a.
Do %he o~llsgs~ Chat the
keep abreasQ o f thing8 ao
neweet m a n 3-n the offices @ones in witrh the lettwt
eono@pta a d abilities?
I thlnk ao, The new graduate hae one problem, and
$him always ha# been, and $ha% l.8 that; he ovexdrawa
thing^, ovemotivatee things because he doeent% know
when he'll have mo%herohm6e t o do 1%. He makea
thing8 %os effor$ful for their aim,
There are people Like Le 0orbu who really do
fm3aeBic things and everybody who's been $0 Bee his
visual a r t g building at Barvard raves about it [ ~ q e n t e r
Cente~for hhe Vfsaal Arts, 19633, In photograph8
itte questionable whether a aonarste building plsoed
between red brick buf ldfnge would be gaod, but my
partner Porn Emonee went ho eee it, Dx, Moore wen%
t o sea it, various people have been t o see it, a d
%heynay it's very fine,
Xncidentmlly, I notioed in the exhibition of ot;udenB
work crurmntly in Ohe hall@a deaign fox an a r t oentes
for Bh2e ~z~mpua,Are suoh student desise in~orgaxated
ixlto Bhe fina3, plane in any wag?
Well, they always would be 8vailabl.e for %he mahfteef
t o see. Umtdlljr *he sfiuden0 oan be freer than the
wohitect am. There m e more limitations i n aa-kualit;y
-.* but you should nevsx tria $he s%udentet wings too
much.
V s l l , now, thank you, That sreema a nice note on whferb
t o olose.
Far ne, this r@cordir"rg
hae been w, very rewarding esrpex-
Isnce. Tfm very pleaeed the University is doing it.
I t f @been ver$ enjoyable, sblzd X say thlira no-b jueQ t o
be politia because I fael hB very much. X think it's
a wcmdesful fhiag For the Univerei+y $0 get S r ~ a h
f
r
o
9
1
people" llipa ZmpreesSons and so forth for the fuCure
doomenfation beo~luaswhat you ge* is 1 e ~ s
sltil81~d
than if it waa written. Moot people aren't wrlter~
and write in a s-bilted fsshkon. And i n thie way too
a person can aay many thlnga %ha% ha never would take,
the t h e to wrdtet down. I Bhink you yourself have
delved into questione %o arsk me that have made it
eseiar for me t o reajpond than if I had to do the whole
thiag myself. Z feel that thia fe a wondarful enter-
tsr: p f i r s ~far to do,
%he U ~ I v ~ r ~ i $ y and Zqm oaly sorry
%kmO we havene$ tags-rhtaorded the words of Pxesident
Benjamin f d e eel@^ when he waza hers. And J o b
Galen Howard, an8 Bexnmd Naybeak, when they were
b r e .
Transsxibert SIR, 

Typiato L.W.

WILLIAM WILSON WURSTER
I N APPRECIATION OF THE GOLD MEDAL AWARD - JUNE 2 6 , 1969 

T H I S I S A HAPPY DAY FOR ME. SOMEHOW I MUST CONVEY TO YOU
A DEEP APPRECIATION OF A CHANGE I N THE ARCHITECTURAL THINKING
OF OUR PROFESSION WHICH NOW ALLOWS MODEST AND SIMPLE STRUCTURES
TO PLAY A PART I N THE AWARD O F OUR GOLD MEDAL.
T H I S GIVES UNEXPECTED REALITY TO OUR CLAIM THAT TRUTH AND
BEAUTY COUNT FOR SOMETHING. NO MATTER HOW S
b
@
.
L
L THE WORK MAY I

BE, YOU WILL F I N D I N THE E X H I B I T I O N THE SIMPLE BEGINNINGS OF A
1

I

C T I C E I N 1 9 2 7 , FROM THE FARM HOUSE TO THE STONE STUDIO O F
i

FRANCES AND MORLEY BAER I N 1965.
1

FROM THE VERY START I N 1 9 2 6 , AND DURING 43 YEARS OF PRACTICE,
1

THE O F F I C E HAS RECOGNIZED THAT WORK WE DO I S FOR THE CLIENT AND
i 

i 

T TO B E I N . OUR OWN IMAGE. INSTEAD, WE HAVE SOUGHT TO DO THE
BEST O F THE C L I E N T ' S D E S I R E . . .
i

WE SEEK TO PLAY DOWN THE AUTHORSHIP OF THE IDEAS,' AND PARTICU-
I

RLY WHEN THE O F F I C E WAS SNALLER, WE HAD MANY MEETINGS ON EACH.
I

OB S O . THAT .EVERYONE HAD' A SHARE I N , T H E DEC'ISIONS. MY PARTNERS, 

EODORE BERNARDI AND .DONN EMMONS, AND THE ASSOCIATES, ALLEN 

i 

i 

OSENBERG, RALPH BUTTERFIELD, ALBERT ARONSON, DON STOVER, ROBERT I

j
OWLE, JOSEPH BOURG AND GERALD TAYLOR-SHOULD SHARE IN THIS DAY, 

THEY HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS AND BACKED U P MY DECISIONS 

ICH G I V E OUR J O B S A THREAD O F C O N T I W I T Y DOWN THROUGH THE 

W i l l i a m Wilson Wurster R e m a r k s
-2-
YEARS. I T BRINGS CONFIDENCE WHEN WE OFTEN DO W O N FOR THE THIRD
GENERATION OF CLIENTS,
I AM PROUD THERE ARE ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE WORKED..IN THE:,OFFI.C$,
WHO COME BACK TO TELL US HOW MUCH THE EXPERIENCE HAS MEANT TO
THEM.
AND TRUTH, I HOPE YOU RECONGIZE HOW THE PEOPLE I N THE OFFICE AND
THE CLIENTS HaVE MADE T H I S POSSIBLE, AND I STAND HERE WITH PRIDE
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY SHARE I N THE .POLICY-MAKING WHICH SHAPES
EACH JOB. SUPERB ARCHITECTURAL PHOTOGWPHS HAVE PLAYED A MAJOR
PART I N MY PROFESSIONAL L I F E (NOTE THE EXHIBITS).
I N 1944, I WENT DOWN TO NEW YORK FROM BOSTON TO S P W AT
THE 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NEW YORX CHAPTER. I T STARTLED THEM
WHEN I LISTED A B I L L .OF PARTICULARS OF CRITICISM, BUT F I R S T
LET QUOTE FROM AN ARTICLE BY THE LATE DEAN HUDNUT OF MRVARD,
m I C R SUMS UP WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU, AND T H I S REPFESENTS A
GREAT CHANGE OF POINT OF VIEW: AND I QUOTE " I T I S ENCOURAGING
TO SEE ALL AROUND THE NEW INTEREST WHICH LOOKS AT THINGS SO
DIFFERENTLY AND HAS CHANGED FROM THE DAY OF PRINCE ALBERT AND
QUEEN VICTORIA WHEN I T WAS A MATTER OF PRIDE THAT THE BEAUTIFUL
BRIDGES BUILT BY RENNIE AND TELFORD FOR THAT UNCIVILIZED MONSTER,
THE RAILROAD, WERE NOT TO BE CALLED ARCHITECTURE. THESE, L I K E
JOSEPH 'PAXTON1.S CRYSTAL PALACE I N ENGLAND, COULD NOT ALAS BE
II
~ i l l i a r n
W i l s o n W u r s t e r R e m a r k s 1

II
I
I
CLOTHED WITH THE DEBRIS O F ANCIENT C I V I L I Z A T I O N S . TODAY THE I
I
ARCHITECT'S MEAT AND DRINK MUST BE THE WHOLE F I E L D O F HUMAN
I
ENVIRONMENT AND THE ENTIRE PROCESS BEHIND I T -- OR HE WILL I
TO CONTINUE WITH THE C R I T I C I S M , AS SPELLED OUT I N 1944,
FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT AT THAT TIME HAD NOT BEEN OFFERED THE GOLD
EDAL, ALTHOUGH H I S STATURE HAD LONG BEEN WORTHY O F I T . (AWARDED
!
THERE WERE 3,000 MEMBERS O F THE A.I.A. I N 1944, AND I BELIEVE
!i,
W
E NKW HAVE OVER 2 3 , 0 0 0 . THE STRONGEST PLEA I MADE !iTf-TAT EVENING
W
A
S FOR A BROAD PUBLIC RELATIONS PROGRAM. I T HAS ALL COME ABOUT
NOW, AND WE ARE ON OUR WAY WITH h REAL BANG.
F
HOUSING FOR THE LOWEST INCOME PEOPLE WAS A DIRTY WORD I N
I
E PROFESSION I N 1944. T H I S POINT OF VIEW I S NOW COMPLETELY
i
I
NGED FROM THAT TIME, AND THE OUTLOOK I S MUCH MORE CONSTRUCTIVE
I
N I T WAS FORMERLY. I N 1944 THERE WERE SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL 

T I C L E S WHICH SPOKE O F HOUSING A S COMMUNIST INSPIRED. I A
M


EASED THAT WE HAVE L E F T ALL T H I S NONSENSE I N THE PAST AND NOW

COGNIZE THE NEED OF UNDERSTANDING SOCIAL CONDITIONS AND THE 

ED O F WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO BRING 

OUT HUMANE ENVIRONMENT. 

THE IMPORTANCE O F THE EVERY DAY OBJECTS A S
-
KNIVES ANI3 FORKS
tf
CHINA NOW RECEIVES ATTENTION AS ART. NOT SO BEFORE. T H I S $
h
ENT WAS LED BY THE MUSEUM OF MODERN ART I N NEN YORK. THE r
W i l l i a m W i l s o n W u r s t e r R e m a r k s
-4-
METROPOLITAN MUSEUM -OF NEW YORK S T I L L HA.S A RULE 'THAT NO LIV1N.G
BROKEN T H I S RULE THREE TIMES, AND I, FOR ONE, WOULD HOPE I T
WOULD BE BROKEN MANY TIMES MORE UNTIL SUCH RULE CEASES TO E X I S T .
ALL ABOUT US ARE MEETINGS AND SEMINARS I N WHICH ?HE PROFESSION
PLAYS A T LEAST A PARTICIPATING ROLE AND OFTEN ONE O F REAL LEADER-
W I P . I WANT TO CONGRATULATE OURSELVES, FOR T H I S I S A COMPLETE
CHANGE FROM 25 YEARS AGO.
GONE ARE THE DAYS THAT IMPORTANCE I S PLACED ON PERMANENCE AND
MASSIVENESS. I NEVER WILL B E I N THE P O S I T I O N O F AN ARCHITECTURAL
FRIEND O F MINE, WHO SPOKE WITH BITTERNESS THAT ARCHITECTURE WAS
NOT PERMANENT ANY MORE. I TAKE EXCEPTION TO H I S WHOLE EDTPHASES, '
R I C H WITH IDEAS. I NEVER WANT THE P O S S I B I L I T Y S A I D OF ME THAT I
COULD B E L I K E VANBRUGH, ARCHITECT O F BLENHEIM PALACE, THAT VAST
P I L E I N ENGLAND, WHOSE E P I T A P H COULD WELL READ:
" L I E HEAVY ON HIM, OH EARTH! 

-REHAS L A I D MANY A HEAVY THING UPON THEE. 'I

1
. Broohure, Wurster, Bernardf and Emons, aschiteots
2
. Talk by Lawsenoe Anderson a* Dean Wurstsrfs Retirement
Ceremony, 4 June L963,
3. Interview, Sari Francism @ h r ~ ~ I ~ l d ,
duns 1%3
4. Qitation for U . D , grmlad by the University of
California, Berkeley, June 1964
5. [ ~ n
original manuscript deposited in the BanorofC
Library, ~erkeley] Photographs of8 Yarba Buena Club,
1939; Sehuckl Canning Co. Office Building, 1944;
Nelson Nowell House, Cssmel, 1940; Center for Advanced
Studies in the Behavioral Soiences, Palo Alto, 19545
Mason Wells and Frank Hamilton House, 1962; Golden
Gateway Redevelopment Projsot, in proaess. Artfoles
from Arakii$ecrbural R~aord,ApriL 1960, Wellington
Henderson residenae, 1959; Caargs Pope residenae, 1938.
And January 1965, Mr. and Mrs. James V. Coleman
residenae; First Uai6arian Church, Berkeley; United
States Consulate Offiae Building, Hong Kong.
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W U R S T E R . B E R N A R D 1 A N D E M M O N S . A r c h i t e c t s
1620 Montgomery Street, San Francisco 11, California
W U R S T . E R , B E R N A R D 1 A N D E M M O N S , Architects
William Wilson Wurster, F. A. I. A.
Theodore C. Bernardi, F,A. I.A. ,
Donn Emmons, F. A. I. A.
J a m e s D. Wickenden
Albert Aronson, A. I.A.
Willard D. Rand, A. I. A.
George R. Kennaday, A. I. A.
Don E. Stover, A. I. A.
Ralph 0. Butterfield
For m o r e than three decades, the f i r m has been continuously engaged in
architectural and planning projects, ranging in size from individual r e s i -
dences to entire communities, and covering virtually a l l types of structures
and methods of construction. The work of the office i s known and' honored
nationally and inter nationally.
William Wilson Wur s ter, F. A. I. A. , the senior partner, is a native Califor -
nian. He obtained his architectural degree from the University of California,
and after s e v e r a l y e a r s of work and travel, he opened his own office in San
Francisco in 1926. Theodore C. Bernardi, F. A. I. A., became a partner in
1944, and Donn Emmons, F.A. I. A., entered the partnership in 1945, Six
associates have been added in subsequent years.
Although much of its early reputation was won in the field of residential
design, the practice has widened with the 'years to a highly diversified one
which includes commercial, industrial, and institutional projects in addition
to residences ranging f r o m $15, 000 to $650, 000.
Thirty professional awards for excellence in design have been won by Wurster,
Bernardi and Emmons since 1950. Their work has had wide publication, both
in this country and in leading architectural magazines throughout the world.
In a n a r t i c l e in Time magazine, Wurster, Bernardi and Emmons was r e f e r r e d
to a s "the leader in one of the best regional movements in the United States".
The architectural philosophy of the firm might be summed up a s follows: To
disregard any preconceived formulas, and to make each design uniquely suited
to the terrain, to the climate, and to the building's occupants and purpose.
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S E R V I C E S A N D F A C I L I T I E S 

The f i r m of Wurster, Bernardi and Emmons i s qualified to undertake and 

carry through projects of virtually any size, from preliminary planning 

to completion of construction. A core staff of approximately 40 architects, 

draftsmen, and general personnel has been readily augmented to a total 

staff of approximately 65 when projects of large scope required it. 

Since the office occupies 16, 000 square feet of space -- all contained on 

one floor at 1620 Montgomery Street, San Francisco -- such immediate 

expansion of staff i s both feasible and comfortable. 

Diversification, a s opposed to specialization, i s characteristic both of

the types of building projects and the responsibilities of key personnel. 

On major projects, all three of the partners may be closely involved. 

On all projects, the client i s assured of individual continuing contact with 

at least one of the partners. A team, consisting usually of one partner, 

one associate, and a s many technical personnel a s a r e necessary, works 

together on each job from initial interview to final completion of the buil- 

ding. Continuity, and close association with principals and associates, 

are thus guaranteed to each client. 

For certain projects, the firm has entered into a Joint Venture with one 

or more other architectural and/or engineering firms, and i s prepared 

to continue this practice where it seems advantageous to the client. 

Services the firm i s qualified to provide include the following: 

Architectural Design
Master Planning
Site Planning
Design Consultation
Feasibility Studies
Construction Supervision
Engineering
(see Consultants)
Landscape Architecture
(see Consultants)
C O N S U L T A N T S
Believing that greater flexibility and increased service to the client results
froin having several highly -qualified San Francisco firrns available on a con-
sulting basis, the f i r m of Wurster, Bernardi and Emmons has formed close
ties with the following organizations, and retains them a s consultants o r
a.ss.ociate
s on major projects.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS
Structural Engineers
H. J. Brunnier
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Gilbert-For sberg -Diekmann-Schmidt
Mechanical and Electrical Engineers
DeLeuw, Cather & Company
G, L. Gendler & ~ s s o c i a t e ' s
Gayner Engine-er s
Traffic and T r a n s ~ o r t a t i o n :
Industrial and Utilitv ngineers
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Acoustical Engineer
Walter W. Soroka
Paint Chemistry
Harlan As sociates
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$ of the best-known landscape architects in the a r e a a r e regularly asso-
k ciated with the firm:
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Lawrence Halprin and Associates
Douglas Baylis
Sasaki, Walker and Associates
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HONORS AND MEMBERSHIPS:
Fellow, American Institute of Architects
Fellow, Academy of A r t s and Sciences, Boston
Fellow, Royal Academy of Fine A r t s , Copenhagen
Fellow, National Academy of Design
Corresponding Member, Royal Institute of British Architects
Affiliate Member, American Institute of Planners
LL.D. , University of California
EDUCATION:
University of California: A. B. with honors in Architecture.
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Massachusetts Institute of Technolonv: Citv and Renional Planning..
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Yale University: Coordinator of Design, Depar t m nt of Architectur
1943.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology: Dean of School of Architec -
ture and Planning, 1944-50.
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Dean of College of Architecture. 1950-59:
Dean of College of Environmental Design, 1959-
PLANNING, CONSULTATION AND COMMITTEES:
Chairman, Architects I Advisory Committee, National Housing
Agency, 1942.
Chairman, Jury of Award for the Jefferson National Expansion
Memorial, St. Louis, Missouri, 1948.
Consultant, Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas, 1948-58.
Chairman, National Capitol P a r k and Planning Commission, Washir
ton, D. C . , 1949-50.
Consultant, Brigham Young University Plan, Provo, Utah, 1953.
Consultant, Southwest Foundation for Research and Education,
1953-56.
Consultant, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah, 1958-
Member, Architectural Advisory Panel, United States Department
of State, Office of Foreign Buildings, 1958-
Member, University of Washington Architectural Commission, 1959
Member, Capitol Building and Planning Commission, Sacramento,
1959-
Chairman, Jury of Award for Boston City Hall Competition, 1962.
Consultant, Washington, D. C. , Redevelopment Land Agency, 1962-
Architectural Adviser, Governor Is Mansion Competition, State of
California, 1962.
T H E O D O R E C . B E R N A R D I , F . A . I . A .
MEMBERSHIPS:
Fellow, American Institute of Architects
San Francisco Planning and Urban Renewal As sociation
Commonwealth Club of California
EDUCATION:
University of California: A. B. in Architecture; postgraduate work
in Architecture
TEACHING:
1954 to present: Lecturer in Architecture, University of California,
Berkeley
EXPERIENCE:
1933: Registered Architect, State of California
1934-42: Associated with William Wilson Wurster a s one of two m e n .
in charge of an office with 10 to 15 draftsmen. Responsible for
design and construction of major projects of the firm.
1942-44: In independent architectural practice. Projects included
more than a dozen government housing projects (totaling approxi-
mately $5 million) with various associates.
1944 to present: Partnership with William Wilson Wurster and Donn
Emmons. During the years of the partnership, Mr. Bernardi
has participated in the growth of the f i r m f r o m a staff averaging
15 to one averaging 40, with a highly diversified practice ran-
ging from individual residences to entire communities.
He has been Partner-in-Charge on such recent or current major
projects as: Printing Plant for the State of California, Sacra-
mento; F i r s t Unitarian Church of Berkeley; Strawberry Canyon
Recreational Facilities, University of California; Antioch High
School, Antioch, Belshaw Elementary School, Antioch, and
three major elementary school additions for the Antioch-Live
Oak Unified School District; Schuckl and Company, Office Buil-
ding, Sunnyvale; United States Coast Guard Housing, Point
Reyes; Stern Dormitory and Additions, University of California;
and the San Leandro Medical Center. He i s currently Consulting
Architect for the new Santa Cruz campus of the University of
California.
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HONORS AND MEMBERSHIPS:
Fellow, American Institute of Architects.
President, San Francisco Planning and Housing Association,
1947-49. Director, 1949-56.
Director, California Council of Architects, 1953-54.
Chairman, Public Relations Committee, Northern California
Chapter, American Institute of Architects, 1956-57.
Chairman, Joint Committee of Architects, Engineers, Landscape
Architects and Planners, San Francisco, 1959.
General Chairman, 1960 Annual Convention, A. I. A.
Chairman "20/2 0" Committee of Northern California Chapter,
A.I.A., 1961-
EDUCATION:
Cornell University: College of Architecture, 1929-33.
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San Francisco Architectural Club: Structural Design, 1939-40.
TEACHING:
1956: Visiting Critic, Senior Architectural Design, Cornell Univer-
sity College of Architecture.
EXPE=IENC-E-:
1934-38: Design and construction supervision in various architectural
offices in Los Angeles.
1938-42: Associated with William Wilson Wurster. Responsible for
design and construction supervision on various projects.
1943: Licensed Architect, State of California
1942-45: Lt. Commander, U. S. Naval Reserve. NAVV
Office of
Research and Inventions, responsible for design and con-
struction of Navy Exhibits.
1945 to present: Partnership with William Wilson Wurster and
Theodore C. Bernardi. Partner-in-Chargeon such recent
o r current major projects as: Capitol Towers Redevelopment
Project, Sacramento; Santa Rosa Civic Center Project; Brooks
Hall, and Civic Center Master Plan for City and County of San
Francisco; Jackson Lake Apartments, Oakland; Stanford Medi-
cal Plaza, Palo Alto; Bank of America, One S. Van Ness, San
Francisco, and Main Office, Sacramento; Bank of Anierica
design and consultation program; Safeway Stores, Inc. , design
and consultation program; Clarendon Elementary School, San
Francisco; Mill Valley Library.
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1 D. RAND, JR.
A. B. in Architecture, University of California, 1925.
With William Wilson W u r s t e r f r o m 1932 to 1937.
L i c e n s e d Architect in California, 1934. Returned to
the f i r m in 1945; b e c a m e a n A s s o c i a t e in 1945. Major
responsibility fori State Printing Plant, Sacramento;
Plating and Sandblasting Shop, McClellan A i r F o r c e
B a s e , S a c r a m e n t o ; National C a n n e r s Association
off ice building and laboratory, B e r k e l e y ; various
schools, r e s i d e n c e s and churches.
B. A. in Architecture, University of California, 1941;
M. A. in Architecture, University of California, 1944.
L i c e n s e d Architect in California, 1946. Joined this
f i r m in 1946; b e c a m e a n Associate in 1949. In c h a r g e
of office m a n a g e m e n t s i n c e 1953. M a j o r responsibility
f o r : Antioch Senior High School; M o n t e r e y Public
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L i b r a r y ; m a j o r office building remodeling projects for
Universal Land Company, San F r a n c i s c o ; consultation
on C r o c k e r Industrial P a r k , B r isbane.
B. A r c h . , M a s s a c h u s e t t s Institute of Technology, 1937;
H a r v a r d University, Graduate School of Design, 1938.
Joined this f i r m in 1948; b e c a m e a n A s s o c i a t e in 1954.
L i c e n s e d Architect in California, 1952. r e s e o n -
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sibility-for~ private r e s i d e n c e s ranging f r o m $15, 000
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to $500, 000; Center f o r Advanced Study in the Beha-
v i o r a l Sciences, P a l o Alto; S a r a h Dix Hamlin School,
S a n F r a n c i s c o .
B. A r c h . , Cornell University, 1936. Joined this f i r m .
in 1948; b e c a m e a n Associate in 1956. Licensed
A r c h i t e c t in California, 1957. - -
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f o r :
- U. S. Consulate, Hong Kong; Insurance Company
of North A m e r i c a , San J o s e ; Bank of A m e r i c a , One
South Van Ness, S a n F r a n c i s c o , and Main Office,
S a c r a m e n t o ; San F r a n c i s c o Civic Center Development
P l a n ; San F r a n c i s c o Exhibit Hall; San F r a n c i s c o
Civic Auditorium Rehabilitation; U. S. A i r F o r c e ,
m a s t e r plans for four b a s e s .
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B. A. i n A-rchitecture, University of California, 1950.
Licensed Architect in California, 1954. Joined this
f i r m in 1954; became a n Associate in 1956. Major-
responsibility for: Bank of America, One South Van
Ness, San Francisco, and Main Office in Sacramento;
five Bank of America branches; Medical Plaza, P a l o
Alto; Biochemistry Building, University of California;
M o r r i s Plan offices, Northern California.
B. A. in Architecture, University of California,. 1955.
Joined this f i r m in 1955; became a n Associate in 1960.
Licensed Architect in California, 1960. Major respon-,
sibility for: s e v e r a l l a r g e residences; Clarendon
Elementary School, San Francisco; Woodside Village
Church; Santa Rosa Urban Renewal, portions of
Monterey Urban Renewal, and m a s t e r plan for Victoria
University,
M A J O R . P R O J E C T S 

The following pages contain a list of major projects of the firm in the .past
25 years, including current work. They a r e listed under the following
hea'dings:
Apartments and Housing
Civic Projects
Commercial and Financial
Consultation and Research
Educational
Industrial
Libraries
Master Planning
Medical Facilities
Office Building
Recreational
Redevelopment and Urban Renewal
Religious
Research
Residential
Shopping Centers and Supermarkets
U. S. Government Projects
M A J O R P R O J E C T S 

Major projects a r e listed according to building type and in chronological
order. Date indicates year of completion. Asterisk (1)indicates Joint
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APAR'I'MENTS AND HOUSING
*Valencia Gardens Public Housing, San Francisco (1941)
:#Chabot Acres War Housing, Vallejo (1942)
Stern Hall, University of California (1942) and Additions (1959)
U. S. Coast Guard Family Housing, Pt. Reyes (1960)
Married Student Housing, Stanford University, (1960)
Jackson Lake Apartments, Oakland (1961)
Hunter Apartments, Fresno (1962)
K a p i t o l Towers Redevelopment Project, Sacramento (1959- )
*Golden Gateway Redevelopment Project, San Francisco (1960- )
Married Student Housing, University of California
PROJECTS
Sunset Community Center, City of San Francisco (1952)
Monterey Public Library, City of Monterey (1952)
K i v i c Center Development Plan, City of San Francisco (1958)
*<BrooksHall, City of San Francisco (1958)
*Santa Rosa Urban Renewal Project, City of Santa Rosa (1961)
'%CivicAuditorium Rehabilitation, City of San Francisco (1960- )
'kMonterey Urban Renewal Project, City of M s t e r e y (1961)
*<CivicCenter Master Plan and City Hall, City of Fremont
Mill Valley Public Library
M A J O R P R O J E C T S - Continued
OMMERCLAL AND FINANCIAL
Bank of America: (1956- ) 

Sausalito Branch (1956) 

Hillsdale Branch (1957) 

M o r r o Bay Branch (1957) 

Pleasanton Branch (1957) 

Napa Branch (1958) 

Walnut Creek Branch (1960) 

Central Office Building, Sacramento (1960) 

Data Processing Center, San F r a n c i s c o (1960) 

San F r a n c i s c o (Ellis Street) Branch 

*San Mateo "A. P. Giannini" Branch
M o r r i s Plan: 3 1 branches throughout California (1954- ) 

Joseph Magnin, Montgomery Street Branch, San F r a n c i s c o (1961) 

Dollar Savings and Loan Home Office, San Bruno 

Olivetti Company, San F r a n c i s c o 

*San F r a n c i s c o International Airport, Concourse C
* United Air Lines Terminal Building, S. F. International Airport
ONSULTATION AND RESEARCH
Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas (1948- )
U. S. A i r Force: survey of world-wide construction program (1952) 

Brigham Young University Plan, Provo, Utah (1953) 

Southwest Foundation for R e s e a r c h and Education (1953-56) 

M o r r i s Plan: Design Consultants (1954- ) 

Crocker Land Company: Design C'onsultants for Industrial P a r k , 

Brisbane (1956- )
U. S. Navy: Report for engineering building annex, San F r a n c i s c o
Naval Shipyard ( 1958-59)
Bank of America: Design Consultants for Northern California (1958-
University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah (1958- )
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M A J O R P R O J E C T S - Continued
CONSULTATION AND RESEARCH - Continued
University of Washington ( 1959- )
x University of B r i t i s h Columbia, Vancouver (1961- )
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UCATIONAL
College of the Pacific, Student Union, Stockton (1948) 

Antioch-Live Oak School District: m a j o r additions to t h r e e elementar 

schools (1953)
Belshaw Elementary School, Antioch (1955)
Antioch High School, Antioch (1955)
Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, P a l o Alto (195
Stanford University, M a r r i e d Student Housing, P a l o Alto (1960)
Sarah Dix Hamlin School, Classroom Bldg., San F r a n c i s c o (1962)
Clarendon Elementary School, San F r a n c i s c o (1962)
* Victoria University, M a s t e r Plan, Victoria, B. C. (1961- )
* Oakland City College, Master P l a n (1962- )
University of California, Berkeley (1942- )
S t e r n Hall, Dormitory f o r Women (1942) and Additions (1959)
Strawberry Canyon Recreational Facilities (1959)
M a r r i e d Student Housing
Biochemistry Building
E a r l Warren Legal C.enter
University of California, 	Santa C r u z (1962- )
M a s t e r Plan (consultation)
Cowell College
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INDUSTRIAL
National Canners Association, Berkeley (1952) 

American Chain and Cable Company, San Francisco (1953) 

Monterey Peninsula Herald: newspaper plant, Monterey (1954) 

California State Printing Plant, Sacramento (1954) 

Bosqui Printing Plant, San Francisco (1956) 

*Plating and Sandblasting Shop, McClellan Air, F o r c e Base,
Sacramento (1957)
A. S. Aloe Company, South San Francisco and Seattle (1957-60)
Consolidated Foods Corporation, Gentry Division, Gilroy (1959)
Precision Instrument Company, Palo Alto
LIBRARIES
Monterey Public Library, City of Monterey (1952)
Mill Valley Public Library, City of Mill Valley
MASTER' PLANNING
U. S. Air Force: 20 Air F o r c e Bases throughout Western States
(1951-59)
*Civic Center Development Plan, City of San Francisco (1958)
>lcMontereyUrban Renewal Project, City of Monterey (1961)
S a n t a Rosa Urban Renewal Project, City of Santa Rosa (1961)
*Victoria College, Master Plan, Victoria, B. C. (1961- )
$<Cityof Fremont, Master Plan and City Hall
*<OaklandCity College
*University of California, Santa Cruz Campus
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MEDICAL FACILITIES
Doctors' offices, Santa Cruz (1936) and Additions (1940) 

Doctors' offices, San Francisco (1951) 

Doctors' pffices, Berkeley (1953) 

Stanford Medical Plaza, P a l o Alto (1959) 

San Leandro Medical Center 

OFFICE BUILDINGS
Schuckl & Company, Inc., Sunnyvale and Niles (1942-53)
Richmond-Chase Company, San Jose (1947)
Insurance Company of North America, San Jose (1949) and Additions
(1954). Remodelling of Los Angeles Headguarters (1962).
Bank of America, Data Processing Center, San Francisco (1960)
Bank of America, Central Office Building, Sacramento (1960)
Universal Land Company: Major remodelling of four downtown San
Francisco office buildings (1960-)
RECREATIONAL FACILITIES
Yerba Buena Club, Golden Gate International Exposition, San
Francisco (1939)
Magic Carpet Tramways and Terminals, Sugar Bowl (1954)
Marin Art and Garden Center, Ross (1954- )
Lafayette Community Center (1953) and Additions (1955 and 1957)
Sequoyah Country Club, Additions and Alterations, Oakland (1958)
Strawberry Canyon Recreational Facilities, U. C. (1959)
E l Cerrito Recreation Center
M A J O R P R O J E C T S - C o n t i n u e d
REDEVELOPMENT AND URBAN RENEWAL
*Capitol Towers Redevelopment Project, Sacramento (1959 - ) 

*Golden Gateway Redevelopment Project, San Francisco (1960 - ) 

*Monterey Urban Renewal Project, Monterey (1961) 

Wants Rosa Urban Renewal Project, Santa Rosa (1961) 

Washington, D. C. , Redevelopment Land Agency (1962- )
RELIGIOUS
Temple Emanu-El, Dallas, Texas (Consultant) (1957) 

Grace Episcopal Church, St. Helena, Additions and Alterations 

F i r s t Unitarian Church of Berkeley, E l Cerrito (1962). 

Woodside Village Church, Woodside (1962) 

ESIDENT LA L
More than 500 individually designed private residences complete
since 1926.
More than one dozen residences currently in design or under
construction.
National .Canners As sociation, Laboratories and Headquarters,
Berkeley (1952) 

Biochemistry Building, University of California 

Precision Instrument Company, Palo Alto 

M A J O R P R O J E C T S - C o n t i n u e d
SHOPPING CENTERS AND SUPERMARKETS
Safeway Stores, Inc. 75 supermarkets throughout Northern
California (1956- )
Hacienda Shopping Center, San Jose (1959)
Clarkwood Shopping Center, Mountain View (1960)
Crystal Springs Shopping Center, San Mateo
E a s t Valley Shopping Center, San Jose
King Tully Shopping Center, San Jose
Pacific Heights Shopping Center, San Bruno
Skycrest Shopping Center, San Bruno
St. Francis Square, Daly City
U. S. 	GOVERNMENT PROJECTS
U.	 S. Air Force - Master Plans for over 20 Air Force Bases
throughout Western States (1951 -59)
U. S. Consulate Office Building, Hong Kong (1957)
Plating and Sandblasting Shop, McClellan Air F o r c e Base,
Sacramento (1957)
U. S. 	Mint, San Francisco - remodelling (1959)
U. S. 	 Coast Guard Family Housing, Pt. Reyes (1960)
A W A R D S A N D H O N O R S 

AWARD O F MERIT for Nelson Nowell house, Carmel, California,
from AMERICAN INSTITUTE U F ARCHITECTS, National Honor
Awards Program
AWARD O F MERIT for Isadore Schuman house, Woodside,
California, f r o m AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F ARCHITECTS,
National Honor Awards Program
AWARD OF MERIT for Albert Smith house, Stockton, California,
from Northern California Chapter, AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F
ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards Program.
AWARD OF MERIT for Stern Dormitory, University of California,
Berkeley, California, from Northern California Chapter,
AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards Program.
AWARD O F MERIT for Sunset Community Center, San Francisco,
California, from Northern California Chapter, AMERICAN
INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards Program
AWARD O F MERIT for Saxton Pope house, Lafayette, California,
f r o m Northern California Chapter, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF
ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards Program
AWARD OF MERIT for Donn Emmons house, Mill Valley, California,
from Northern California Chapter, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF
ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards Program
AWARD O F MERIT for Schuckl & Co. , Inc. , office building,
Sunnyvale, California, from Northern California Chapter,
AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards
Program
SPECIAL FEATURE AWARD for Adelia Kimball Elementary
School, Antioch, California, from "School Executive" magazine
in national competition for Better School Design.
FIRST PRIZE AWARD FOR Schuckl & Co. ,Inc. , office building,
Sunnyvale, California, from "MANAGEMENT METHODS"
magazine i n national competition for "Best Place to Work. "
FIRST PRIZE AWARD for Center for Advanced Study in the
Behavioral Sciences, Palo- Alto, California, from "MANAGEMENT
METHODS" magazine in national competition for "Be s t Place to
Work. ' I
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A W A R D S A N D H O N O R S - C o n t i n u e d
Selected a s architects for "WESTERN HOTPOINT HOUSElf f o r
national $5 million contest sponsored by "LIVING FOR YOUNG
HOMEMAKERSfrmagazine
AWARD O F MERIT for Paul Bissinger house, Kentfield, California,
from "HOMES FOR BETTER LIVING COMPETITION" sponsored
by House and Home, Sunset Magazine, and the AMERICAN
INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS
AWARD OF MERIT for Nelson Nowell house, Stockton, California,
from AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F ARCHITECTS, National Honor
Awards Program
AWARD OF MERIT for Theodore Bernardi house, Sausalito,
California, from AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS,
National Honor Awards Program
FIRST HONOR AWARD for Center for Advanced Study i n the
Behavioral Sciences, Palo Alto, California, f r o m AMERICAN
INSTITUTE O F ARCHITECTS, National Honor Awards Program
AWARD O F MERIT for Paul Bissinger house, Kentfield, California,
f r o m Northern California Chapter, AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F
ARCHITECTS, Honor Awards Program
AWARD O F MERIT for Insurance Company of North America,
office building, San Jose, California, from Northern California
Chapter, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS, Awards
Program
AWARD O F MERIT for Saxton Pope house, Walnut Creek, California,
f r o m HOUSE AND HOME magazine in ANNUAL AWARDS PROGRAM.
"In recognition of an outstanding contribution to Quality Housing in
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FIRST HONOR AWARD for Sacramento Redevelopment Project,
from PROGRESSIVE ARCHITECTURE magazine in SIXTH ANNUAL
DESIGN AWARDS PROGRAM. Placed First i n Category and Be,st
in Overall Competition of 600 entries
AWARD O F MERIT for George R. Pope house, Madera, California,
from AMERICAN INSTITUTE O F ARCHITECTS, Sunset Western
Home Awards Program
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A W A R D S A N D H O N O R S - C o n t i n u e d
Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, Palo Alto,
California, selected for Russian exhibit of architecture, Sokolniki
P a r k , Moscow.
Saxton Pope house, Walnut Creek, California, selected by THE
ARCHITECTURAL LEAGUE OF NEW YORK for inclusion in,the
Second Preliminary Exhibition, "Living, of the GOLD MEDAL
EXHIBITION O F THE BUILDING ARTS.
Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, Palo Alto,
California, selected by THE ARCHITECTURAL LEAGUE OF NEW
YORK for inclusion in the Final Comprehensive Exhibition of the
GOLD MEDAL EXHIBITION OF THE BUILDING ARTS, to be circulated
in the United States and Canada.
The winning architectural plan for the $60 million Golden Gateway
Redevelopment Project for San Francisco was designed by Wurster,
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Bernardi and Emmons and DeMars and Reay for the Perini Corporation,
and was chosen by theRedevelopment Agency over entries submitted
by eight other architect -developer teams.
AWARD O F MERIT for Admiral Williams house, Menlo Park, California, ,
from HOUSE & HOME magazine in national "Good Idea Housef1competition.
George A. Pope house, Madera, California, chosen a s HOUSE OF THE
MONTH in f i r s t competition sponsored by the San Francisco Chronicle
and the Northern California ~ h a ~ t e r ,
American Institute of Architects.
Admiral Williams House, Menlo Park, chosen a s HOUSE O F THE
MONTH, in second competition 'sponsored by the San Francisco Chronicle
and the Northern California chapter, ~ m e r i c a n
Institute of Architects.
AWARD O F MERIT for Lloyd W . Dinkelspiel house, San Francisco,
California, from American Institute of Architects - Sunset Magazine
WESTERN HOME AWARDS PROGRAM.
Randall house, Santa Cruz, California, chosen a s HOUSE OF THE MONTH
i n third competition sponsored by the San Francisco Chronicle and the
Northern California Chapter, A. I. A.
Frederick Hudson house, Santa Cruz, California, chosen a s HOUSE O F
THE MONTH in third competition sponsored by the San Francisco
Chronicle and the Northern California Chapter, A. I. A.
504as
AN CONGRES$ ARCplITECTS
EJ WASHI[HNGTON, D~C.JUNE 14-38 ' ,
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Contact: Richard S. StitC
3, 1965 -- The annual Architectural Firm
e 04 Architects will go i n 1965 t o a
Wuzster, Bernardi and Emmons,Architects,
ecislon of the AU:: 3oard of Directors.
most coveted honors bestowed by t h e
~ h e
annual AL4 c o r v e n ~ l o n
and Pan
AnezicanCongress of Architects in the nation's c a p i t a l June 14-18.
1945 and continuing ehe practice f i r s t
We Wurster, was c i ~ e d
by the AIA board
dy of f i n e l y conceived and beautifully
st, work which is simple, direct, and
ever wavered from thsse principles since
ed as an example for direct, sane,
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younger generation through all these -
,
a
, the partners arc Theodore C, Bernardi
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andljgan ~ & n s , a31 three of whom have been elected FeZlows of t h e AIA
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averages 60, including s i x associates. I
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Forty awards f o r excellence i n design have been won by the firm
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since 1950, including one F i r s t Honor Award and four Awards of Merit from
t h e AIA, and its worlc has been published throughout t h e world.
Wurster has had a paraxle1 career a s an educator. He was dean
of the school. of architecture and planning ac M,I,T, from 1944 t o 1950
and since then, dean of the college of erivironmental design a t the
University of California at Berkeley. Pie was z ~ c e n t i y
recalled from h i s
s t a t u s as dean emeritus lihen Dr. %artin 24eyerson, ~ u r t e r ' ssuccessor, was
named acting chancellor 02 the university,
Both Bexnardl 2nd E-moas a r e active i n the J ! and i n community
affai'rs. Ccznai-Zihas been a Iccturer i x arcl-titecture a t UC since 1954,
Emmons has seived'as president of t h e Northern Ca1ifozni.a chapter, AM,
as general chairman o f , t h e '89669 nations1 PA canveation and a s president
of t h e San Fraocisco PPann-Lng and Xousing Association, He has twice been
a Visiting Design Crl.2i.c +t Co~aeElUniversiey,
rc\

nhe partners heve yxposefuPly sought diversification i n t h e i r
practice. As a r e s u l t , t h e i r WOI-lchas inepuded vireuzliy every buildcng
type, ranging i n size frou individual residences t o multi-million doll_:
complexes, co-merclal, i n d u s ~ r i a j ,
and educational, They have done move
than 500 individually designed residences.
The fim, and/cr the Tartners, have been engaged as azcBl:ectural
consultants t o a wide variety of agencies and InstituYJions, including t h e
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Universities of . V i c t o r i ~ ;BrFcisB Columbia sad Was'ningCon, the Office of
Foreign Buf1.dings cf ehe U,S. :*;ate Ds?art-;li:.nt; and the. Capitol Sui3.ding
aild l?l,o.nnEcg Comission of t h e State of California. Emons is consulting
a r c h i t e c t t o the bilJion-dollar San L;'iancFs~:o Eay P.res rapid t r a n s i t sys2:crn.
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i n San Frzccisco; the'world headquarters building for the Bank of America;
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new campus at Santa Cruz; married student housing for Stanford University;
Associates in the firm of Wurster, Bernardi and Emmons:
Albert Aronson, A. I. A. 

' Willard D. and, J r . , A. I. A. . 

Don E. Stover, A. I. A.
P U B L I S H E D W O R K 

A partial list of periodicals and books i n which the work of Wurster, Bernardi
and Emmons has been published.
NEWS Time
MAGAZINES Life
Look
Fortune
ARCHITECTURAL Architectural Forum
MAGAZINES . Architectural Record
(United States) Arts and Architecture
House and Home
Pacific Architect and Builder
Progressive Architecture
Western Architect and Engineer
ARCHITECTURAL Architectural Review (England)
MAGAZINES Die Kunst und Das Schoene Heim (Germany)
(Foreign) Distinction (Franct)
Domus (Italy)
La Maison (France)
LIArchitecture D'Aujourdlhui (France)
LIArchitetture (Italy)
Nue s t r a Arquitectura (Argentina)
OTHER U. S. American Home
MAGAZINES Better Homes and Gardens
Good Housekeeping
House Beautiful
House and Garden
Interior Design
Interiors
Living for Young Homemakers
Management Methods
Mc Call' s
Sunset
"USA Baut" (Sonderheft Werk); Germany, 1945
"Built in USA 1932-44"; Museum of Modern Art, N. Y. , 1944
"The American Home Today"; Katherine Ford and
Thomas Creighton, 1951
tlQuality Budget Houses"; Katherine Ford and Thomas
Creighton, 1954
"World1s Contemporary Architecture"; Japan, 1953
"If You Want to Build a House"; Elizabeth Mock, 1946
"Architecture, Ambition and Americans"; Wayne Andrews, 1955
"An Outline of Man's Knowledge of the Modern World";
Lyman Bryson, 1960
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R E F E R E N C E S
Dwight Adams, Business Manager, STANFORD UNIVERSITY, Palo Alto,
California
Ger son Bakar , President, PACIFIC QUEEN INVEST-NT CO. , Oakland,
California
Russell B. Coleman, President and General Manager, CONTINENTAL
SERVICE COMPANY, San Francisco, California
Robert B. Bradford, Director, Department of Public Works, STATE O F
CALIFORNIA, Sacramento, California
E r n e s t M. Conrad, Business Manager, UNIVERSITY O F WASHINGTON,
Seattle, Washington
Thomas R. Creighton, Editor, PROGRESSIVE ARCHITECTURE, New York,
New York
John A. Diemand, President, INSURANCE COMPANY O F NORTH AMERICA,
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Sherman P. Duckel, Chief Administrative Officer, CIT,Y AND COUNTY O F
SAN FRANCISCO, San Francisco, California
R . T. Duncan, Senior Vice President, BANK O F AMERICA, San Francisco,
California
Mortimer Fleishhacker, Jr ., President, FLEISHHACKER COMPANY, San
Francisco, Califm nia
E m e r s o n Goble, Managing Editor, ARCHITECTURAL RECORD, New York,
New York
Allen Griffin, publisher, MONTEREY PENINSULA HERALD, Monterey,
California
E a r l Hampton, Assistant State Architect, Division of Architecture, STATE O F
CALIFORNIA, Sacramento, California
Gregory A. Harrison, President, SARAH DIX HAMLIN SCHOOL, San Francisco,
California
Douglas Haskell, Editor, ARCHITECTURAL FORUM, New York, N. Y.
Edward H. 	Heller, P a r t n e r , SCHWABACHER & COMPANY, San Francisco,
California
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R E F E R E N C E S - Continued
M. 	 Justin Herman, Executive Director, SAN FRANCISCO REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY, San Francisco, California
Clark Kerr, Presid,ent, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, Berkeley, California
Ralph N. Larson, President, THE MORRIS PLAN COMPANY OF CALIFORNIA,
San Francisco, California
Dante P. Lembi, Vice President, ST. FRANCIS INVESTMENT COMPANY,
San Francisco, California
Graeme MacDonald, P r e sident, MacDONALD, YOUNG & NELSON, INC. ,
Oakland, California
Robert A. Magowan, President and Chairman of the Board, SAFEWAY STORES,
INC., San Francisco, California
William Morton, Vice President and General Manager, CROCKER ESTATE
COMPANY, San Francisco, California
Francis F. Owen, Resident Vice President, INSURANCE COMPANY OF NORTH
AMERICA, San Francisco, California
Louis R. Perini, President, PERINI CORPORATION, New York, N. Y.
James H. Scheuer, President, RENEWAL AND DEVELOPMENT CORP.,
New York, N. Y.
Dr. Frank Stanton, President, COLUMBIA BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC. ,
New ~ o r k ;N. Y.
J e r d Sullivan, Member, Board of Directors and Member, Executive Committee,
CROCKER-ANGLO NATIONAL BANK, San Francisco, California
Dr. Ralph W. Tyler, Director, CENTER FOR ADVANCED STUDY IN THE
BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES, INC., Palo Alto, California
Frederick Crocker Whitman, President, 	 ST. FRANCIS INVESTMENT COMPANY,
San Francisco, California
/
i$y rais ht2re z d a y is a wary prfvlicged one. Dean Vi:tpl;tes am! I have shared
vany expe~iznceo5rr the past, and 8 zin ge.a"tfu1 to ba loteluded 5n Chis
campany, ta $a hi53 kancr, and es talk about profess l"os.al educeit ion.
Bw z d d i t l o n to tbB,s latense personal invoYveimnt, B represent his cslleegues
In that o"i:hssam~stal~;sdiBfeee,
where, during a crucial interval, Bean Wurster
d ~ e l
t and he sagd red swil; years ago. f s hsrd ncxs tr bell ?eve
F.rom%&id>. l t
his sa,jaur;~Lkre lasted oaly six pars.
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"r 1944, %he flm9 af learning tfsr~ughCmbrs'dgs had been mms,efvet8 3s
wnid E ivecf:iai~ai!
. !4elt aai eb Iw2ortan.t idaas general 1y came frcm E,ur.ope,;
sas;eS I ~ s s
they were .even ps-~&~ced, . Hen cxal.geg Fpaa $$he 1deg.e' were
5ag.5l 3y. 

there $Q ba Iqiroved and sent back. The isayaet cf a Vestern dean an pj.Z,P, 

cpceha8 , p ~ r t 1$ t R 3 3 trtldi tsP~na'Bmne3pe of the

t y because ~ G " , M B T S B ~ .
w25%$:$a QF clv3 i) B zs'r Ben.
r-d ::iarzBB
-he slgaal f ieence sf rcglanal fm 31n Anker3cas-s CUB ~ U F E !1s nwbtere cmrc bsfFB is?g
?a c ~ i t 3 c sthan i n the f i e l d s
f erekitecture. Let me point aut a f e v ~
1
,
pew
b
y
'r&8 o .I savas uzm~espoused 3 t2~2:; p~ayof soiyiwg ps.&i e
!
w
s
aroused dlsbel-ie%and qopcqsOtJaffi mang 8A~e;s
%it&
vested Ewte?Bec&us;si
int~i*.ests,
as i s sr3 safeen the case. ParadwcQcalPy, the E B S ~ntubbcrw
pOaI1BstHrrSsno was t
e
a be Faesnd amng the people of the East Coos%, 5n spite
of the8 o haiwitr.rg sfemye bean ~ ~ ~ w h a s : The
mre expssed to E u ~ q e e ntdeas.
Ax~sicanpsrr~c.*lr%or%
of madern archite~tuse,notsaPOy Su!%Ivan and Wright, 

w ~ r e
~ P & u G ~ ~ . o ?
the HdSeddife biest. I t was w
o doubt the 1-1 absen~e 

s
f k r & i t%cm&~%$naaee a t , enabied

that, a part lculas moment Ira htats~y
the8 "A b ? ass*. $hers*
Qn parenthesis, we might pause here ta wp1neho~af "Lkb fatlure OF the Hiddle
Vr;s"dt~ I $re.3 4 3 to [,esaar3y cul tesrztl, prmtse; # think 3 can 50 express
mettars In fa.rday;a cmpzny. The C h l a g o %&m1
IIved and died; so Far as
. . .
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owccan see, whet fs ntm Brapp~nlrsgi n Chkcgc $s.
not s cowtiwua-hi~nthereaf,
k.Wthe.r~&Q$-e., of Bm the
wlthaut den.?gra",on tks a& 8 evemnks s
l
: ether center8 

t.!Essiss~2pp"aaIDey, i t can Fa.ir!.y $a said that we p
s
a ionger have %Ear.,

:mp-eooZo~ sf a canslstent regional eharaeter asserting Itself, 

I did not came here to prim&@ regionel isn?. The Horth Cars! inn f4ueuel L.iF9
Bnsurrlnce Cmqsny, a cmgersy owned and operated by colored people, intends
4s buE B
d a hama office bul ld!ng Jn tila .rermte tcmn o f Dusl~a~a,
peptt2atfon
8Q,000,and ehey have &@sen as tt3e5r architect W~31
tan Baclcet. Hr. beeke
has desjgned ?
c
a
r thea a 13-story t-r, a
~ f t h facade c m i s e d 0
4
:seinFcrced
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concrete 'itjsrendeel trusses each 21 feet Rl gh and 1 30 feer long, !{a, -*-
r~glawaB
Tern f.sdead, given tha coup d~ gripace by the Jet a-irplans.
ThOs Is csrtaOnty arrant aonsense. 1"Rgmres not only the % ~ r r g
Spanish
and Nw9~eaepisodes, best atso the p e r i d , before the full deveia~mrstsf
$he rai?raadsand befare the canal, durOng 'which Ca'lBfaswEswas just as
aeassfble fran Earape as f m!
4
m EngOand, Take an example from 'khs
technologg of our field. W
h
e
n Ernest Warasme, en English imigranflfn
%en Pranefsm, t8alw-4 at stme of the f i sst experi~aentswish rel~farced
aacrete in the U,S,, begfnn3ng about t888, he had to import hOs barpets
sf cement f
i
p
m England by water, br?nging 5 $ all sroeed Caps Harts, He
cmplained bIttarly &out $he price, too,
$Re essumptiora ignores also that ehe tsarescmnlfnental r w h of $attier% 89
Gal ifarnta began wall Before Eraropcsn Brnegratly~nwas curtailad, arad that
Cal lfsrnia remains a Hecce for settlers frm evsrMavs, 8"duvPtlaev fg,wres
a subscars%lelsuleurel input P~watRc Far Eas5.
me prdlwsolnant lcuitura? flfav~rrof San Fraoaclsm always seems far m r e
cosmpoiB~:a~rr,
even eclee%Be, then lt doe% if~digena~s.M@vejt"$h~?le~~
the
Bey gegl?~n
Style dues or did aeHs"k@s
an lnd8genaus phon~mnlkaw, M
a
*did
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8 t 8% Iw t h i s wln~yard&kzS,BE1l kh~stevlakascd fa,r $3 wars fs%
!@slag B
B
s
g r a d m t l ~ i ~
F F B ~
thfs Untare~s$tg,BwxiBng otse may a yew or z
w tba$ ?ye
%a& $65"8 Eus- paa an study trip, %.~iki.a.g 4ha9e e;ctsrs~~
aad $08- dw $$EI@ Yo&,
sdwaztures he purswd e t sn mrOg age, F
n a as"~f16 ~ Z P
w m i n g P y . ~ & ~ t . $ ~ JWCJW
2
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- -. ~ 3 r Z a i ~ i
3 ~ 1 ? 8 1 =nvsneionai peofessionsl qr9z,%B%$caz6o~a.
ewaats of $ha$ t h e o There was of aesrsa a
p
a aakeniwg fm.231 the
prpiwsk!cldigas of the war. %a rmsep93 af our facujty were? s p l i t 50&een I
I
Mavard had tefcea a bBd step with 0h3 appolirrsfmant: e
s
f GrtpBus siq
years earlier,
I
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I t H
s -3truim that kmLOershQpby an daseatfwa.3 drngltnistrato~i s =sit
ofem assesgod by fP88 abi.6tuos6ty Iua the besis.funetBon of Rfsing and
Firing. On this realm, brster ansten3ahed us by 343% b l d g e of the
field of cewdldakes end b8s abtlbey 83 agtrac8 tRm to B
f
D
e sehcwl.
Kqes, Ft l Bpwsk4, W6t&a352ks Rapsen, &h, Kwns&dy, @eMara4,Cmdwfn,
Lynch, all cxae durlng tkls p e r i d and same of these ssrwtinue ss e
h
g
a
,an$ thia ber'acan instBPuQe of A~&SBtxte, f@r
their falturs: t
~
i
s
seeept
g;he 6ha:3% P\me. H8s po9mt c to %heprefessiH
s
s
a 9%the
le11193~WT a i
n
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forties; not sn%ytwak mte of ,the eanredlness of archftseB%st
s a s ~ e p t
n
e
w eeatlaetfc Ideas, bug evm mote sharply accused thm of d a t l u r ~
.ta
asstme secia
3 resportstbil l Zy . % ~ O ~ P S ~ B P the mwgnie!o.g,
p0wwerd far
of s l t y planning as a separate but allied prafessfw, having Its a m
b a y of ampetenee, sad In this, as f n so many other areas, he was ~ m r e
h a migbt hwa tb9Eafthat, w19;h hai s B B C ~ ~ P B O ~ R ~
as a prac-28f Dwar,
%rater %!auld 93ave bees asiwmldpl a6 a leader in ithe m r l d cf
prattfg:~
as ?all as in dumttoos. But ke arrtved ctn the Bt%?r6%3gasst
before a dee8QOve rmrfmtatimu o
f the saetimsl amhfte~turial
-
cxpssitiaa o
f i t gas am&, $0 rally suppart awng the ~ i d e r
and
antroillfrig porsonali%iss Iw the field. Traw, %heredid mew a
mtrention af %he 48A at tehlg,!? a ~gwberof young Turks paapmed
him as a anditdate for president, easing as their slesgass Igiitcou!d
be W ~ B S B ~ T . ~ '
But th$s earned out to be what pol i elm1 kOster11~1
B ike t o cal l a
m abort lve pests&, and iB was prwm once egaln 'that
only argsntzatton men Beeme presidents ef srgantzetims.
During O R s ~ s eyears B often esewuitsred a t ttx3&e6s1 mrgan%i@tas
8
curious vlewpatnt, 1
2
t
2
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d by some a&in!s%rartsrs a
r
i
d professors a$
other sthosls, They w n s i d ~ ~ e d a gree%mlstake $0 appoint a m
n
B
g
frm ac^cIwaprnfessie~saetlCife a posttion as dean, aver tho W s ,
as it sere, OF career professors, who had every rtgR6: t o expect ehfz
grmwtigln tkw.~elves. tihat g d was it, Ekey cried, to work Far years
to master the aiemnte 08: university teaching, and then to findl that a
rank eats8det O
o placed in the p9ali~y==im&lag
posialon? 85 was ~nmgia
to make a ywng te.a&tergive e
r
g in disgust.
#a doctrf3emu2d be ,
%
r
e absurd dangevms, beeausa E t pmmtes
the e ~ r ~ n w s that P b teacher a d the gsa~$Ot?wmgr
i
t
&
%
? ope in
d ffe~ent
profess Ims. An w t s f d e ~
enterK k
e
g u
s
a3ve8-si t y ~i
sclss
ceFtais8ily bas prablcms 0%:
adaptat im, he mk~a
gaffes, Bert ha brf s
9
g
s
clo?sterd,and t~ mrsa 4nwer.d an their a m tradtttms, fr &en the
bssdrld s b ~ t
them 1a3 a
690 restlag sa iit s oars, Tday the pace af h w g e
8s such that h i g a % ~ ~
&u@etPI~n,particacrtarly for the pro9ess4tmsD
into @!e%'shacids s ~ & 8 1 @ g
09 very high-qualfty imltatlsn p!a~%s,wad hp?
thwght It wuld be Fassp w gut me of ~RISGJ mste~piece!$
~9 ~raftwafi~hgp
in the Graduate HOUSB Idby. %its fcelephutas rang and I t was ebc ros0Qae~t
h~uoe-=twstsr: 'M3at a bmutlful ,b@aas2OFul tres y
w
%
v
agllvw UI, %
w
e
pl*mli
SF;to ~ a k e
very g m d care of IY ,h w oftem must 1t be ~ateree??~~
''h, Asftchim, B B ? a telfl y
e
a
s a recaci%?t,the tree i s e clever #ar'taglon,
and yoti don" Pave to g%we i t any attrosrtlora at a11;" The i.lext e;8bp.s
Dr. Al!?dam caj I& ,
, about a -nth Iafte$, ia: was to say, laah Hr.R%1ca3,
whee on earth can be the mtter, w r pcxbcacptes fs asdrnOng a19 brepvm,
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sfsff8elal Georg9aw banaBFtiics, and svei there ;iP s
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different'klnP 0; building undop construction, designed By a m d e r of
o z h ~ rfptstiieutfss$wn,for top desOg~zeolene on a national sa49s, %=A a.F Fhe
had bettsr ba =I 'led a foehn, sr perhaps b skoalel say ghE-L, tha9 W ~ W I
wind that m ! t s tka snmv B
n the Sierras.
FBa;raS~gCarnietee end in Berkelcz*pBs
CamBt~ee
an C Q ~ W
Plenw%ng, TGQ
pr3ac!p%esweed &Q be prm.uig~ted: first, 8he laegg@
~prqmsoffers as!
uiZhBn Its am L%aae@da~-les,
and %eeowd, $0 ce.eate such an envi ronmri~
req.4 ires the 1
%Hgkeat esscder sf professi7-il ski 8 !, appl led as a pol icy
bI,$,F, b@&u%o I 8 i s Eassers, and aSso baeausc B
t Is psivaZa, ria2 pubZSc,
3 ; - - 2 g ~ffi&jt PF;S~YI.QSS
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WILLIAM
WILSON
WURSTER
California-born architect and University graduate. With wide experience as a practic-
ing architect seasoned by academic service at the Massachusetts Institute of Tech-
nology,he joined the faculty at Berkeley in 1950 as Dean of the School of Architecture.
Here he took the lead in broadening and enriching the curriculum in ardlitecture
and in establishing close relationships with its allied disciplines. Out of these relation-
ships emerged the College of Environmental Design, which he served as its &st Dean.
He has also played a prominent part in shaping the physical development plan for,
the Berkeley campus, bringing to this complex task wisdom of judgment, stemming
from his rich practical experience, ingenuity in resolving difficult problems, a great
devotion to the welfare of hculty and students at Berkeley, and a broad appreciation
of the interests of the University as a whole. We honor him today for high achieve-
ment in his prolession, in education, and in service to his University.
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W.I3i&$.., 77,78,80,81,84
San ~ r a n a l m oBiy Area, >I,$?',58,66,?00,260,261
S.f;@'ord ~niyersityaamp.us, 241-2345
S$ockt.an, 'O.~liP6rnfa.,lff-271, 28,"j2,36; Stackton High 8ahoo'l,
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State Deportment Arohiteots Panel for Foreign
Buildings Operation, 130,191
University of California, Berkeley, .ArahitecL.s & Engineers,
219,222.
Arohi'ceotuyer Bernard Ylw, .45,.46,P08,25Q,,
Buildings, 1917,
40-42, 'Build.ing.s,
oommonts on: Archi teature., 137,141,155,
15.6,259, California Ball, 30,269, Gampbell Ms31, 219,
Engineering, '212,En~bsonmem~al all) ,
.Design (see Warst e r
Lawrence Memorial, 209,240, Life 8-oienoe, 212, M'ning., 45,
Besid~noaMalla, 208,218,230-232, South Mall.,'268.,
Spr~u1
Hallp'213,214.,S%a,tewi.de,239, Stern Dormf tory, .139,21.9,
3"cudsn.t;'Union, 175,176,$?09,VPsu.s Laboratory., 219, Women's
Qym, 211,212, Wurste~H.111, 175-179,.387
Superv:Psi.ngArethi teoCs (see Howard, J*G *; Brown, A. 8 Ke.lham,
G I 8 Wurstex) 	 . .
Buildings.and Campus ~evelo~&snt
C a m m i C t e s , 215,225,226,235
Caapua, Berkeley, 191?, 40-42.
Cmpus Plann.ingt G a m m ~
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222-224,229-232; Long Range Plan, 282ff
Bxtenesslon, .:3,.1,.94
PraPerniCies, Sigma, Chi, 12,24,25,39,4.0,51
InsJ;$Oute crP l?erriion~lity
A~!sd~smont
Research, 159,160,256
Loyalkr Oath, 146
University of California, Sahool of Ax~hitecdurer 1913, 24ff-

37,40; Zfbrary, 67; hires William Wilson Wurstsr, 215,116,
134-140,145,146; reputation pre-1990, 141,142-L46: under
WussCer, 149-1g7,166-lbalfr aptiCude Leses, 197-160; srea-
Civi$y study, 159,160j course work, 161-164,148,269,171-179,
189,198; criticism sf, 165,166,184,J-85;beoomea GolLege of'
Environmental Design, 179~187,L96,206,2Q7;faoulfy, 149-155, 

180,200 (see also under rimes of' ~ r e h f
%eats); visiting aom-
rniftee, 184-187; ather oampusas, 188,189; regionalism, 191,
1928 ragiatsation, 33,94,L92-195; transfers, 1955 Extension
work, $96; QPISCSI expsrienoe, 197-BQO; graduate work, 202-
2Q58 also, 212,213,242,246 

UnivereS ty of Oalif'ornia, Regents, 114,143p148,175-178,212 ,
216,217,227,233-238,246
Uniwrsi ty of CnZifornia, LOB Arigeles, 188,189,246
University of California, Santa Cruz, 80,209,255,241-245
University of Washington, 133,192,224